# My shop/barn build thread **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [August 31, 2012, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656 "2012-08-31T10:00:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/41 "2012-09-13T06:03:43Z")
Tuesday they finished up leveling and compacting the barn area, finished up the grading for the driveway and spread my 20 yards of dirt down the north side for me (I need to grab a couple pics). Tuesday night I hung some construction lights, laid down half of the 6mil vapor barrier and 500sq ft of mesh. Wed night I had help. Three of us managed to get the rest of the vapor barrier and the other 1500sq ft of mesh down in about 90 mins. Then, after some careful double checking and measuring we laid down the first of 7 loops of tubing. It actually went a bit faster than I thought having never done it before. I still need to add a few more ties to it, but its basically set. Hoping to get the rest done in the next couple nights so I can pressure test this weekend. Night view with my sweEt construction lights ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13176-2/2012-09-11+21_32_30.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13176-2/2012-09-11+21_32_30.jpg) Plastic and mesh down ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13179-2/2012-09-13+08_02_14.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13179-2/2012-09-13+08_02_14.jpg) First loop - hard to see in this pic, but there is a keep away zone for one lift post by the far end there. ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13182-2/2012-09-13+08_01_44.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13182-2/2012-09-13+08_01_44.jpg) Dan ---
**Author:** ![slo\_ride](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@slo\_ride](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slo_ride)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/42 "2012-09-13T17:04:25Z")
No insulation under the tubing? ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/43 "2012-09-13T17:33:52Z")
> [@slo ride](#): > > No insulation under the tubing? Nope. Dan ---
**Author:** ![honda4life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/honda4life/32/5300_2.png) [@honda4life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/honda4life)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/44 "2012-09-13T18:06:48Z")
the things i would do to own a shop like this, awesome! ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/45 "2012-09-13T18:11:42Z")
> [@slo ride](#): > > No insulation under the tubing? With a heated structure above, cold won’t get far past the edges. ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/46 "2012-09-13T18:15:46Z")
> [@1QIKZ](#): > > With a heated structure above, cold won’t get far past the edges. Yep, as long as I keep it warm it should stay pretty warm. From what I understand most of the heat loss is through the edges, which I have insulated. Dan ---
**Author:** ![slo\_ride](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@slo\_ride](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slo_ride)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/47 "2012-09-13T19:02:52Z")
> [@juicedz4](#): > > Nope. > > Dan well i suspect it is probably too late to add any at this point… ---------- Post added at 09:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:57 PM ---------- > [@1QIKZ](#): > > With a heated structure above, cold won’t get far past the edges. cold never gets passed anything…warm goes to cold not the other way around. ---------- Post added at 10:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:58 PM ---------- > [@juicedz4](#): > > Yep, as long as I keep it warm it should stay pretty warm. From what I understand most of the heat loss is through the edges, which I have insulated. > > Dan in a radiant system the heat will radiate equally in all directions. the edges are particularly important because they have the most exposure to the exterior. depending on your expected use of the building having or not having insulation may have a significant impact. some people don’t put it in because the ground will act as a heat sink and will also even out the temperature of the slab…which is important in a home setting where bare feet are typical. this assumes that the heat will be on more or less continuously. if the space is used more infrequently then not having the insulation means you have to heat the ground everytime you want to increase the temperature in the space. since conduction is more efficient than radiation the ground is going to be sucking heat out of the slab. so if you say keep the space at 50 when you aren’t there then want it up to 70 when you are…not having the insulation is going to make a big difference in how long it will take to get the temperature up. sounds like you are planning to keep it warm…so it might work out for you, but you can never go wrong with sub slab insulation on these systems. foamboard is a lot cheaper than fuel in the long run ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/48 "2012-09-14T05:50:37Z")
Ya, the plan is to keep it fairly warm all the time. I MIGHT bump it up by a few degrees on weekends or if i have a big longterm project, but honestly Ill prob just leave it at a set temp all winter. Im typically out there every other night. Dan ---
**Author:** ![rugsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rugsr/32/7474_2.png) [@rugsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rugsr)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/49 "2012-09-14T15:46:03Z")
i put pex under my kitchen, dining room and living and LOVE IT to have it in my garage would be awesome! Nice build man! ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/50 "2012-09-14T16:09:05Z")
> [@juicedz4](#): > > Yep, as long as I keep it warm it should stay pretty warm. From what I understand most of the heat loss is through the edges, which I have insulated. > > Dan That’s what I was trying to say. ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/51 "2012-09-16T18:01:07Z")
It took a bit longer than Id hoped, but all the tubing is down and connected to the manifold. Probably the worst part was twisting 1500+ wires with that stupid tool. I think next time Id just use zip ties. I pressurized it yesterday afternoon around 4pm. As of 6pm tonight it hadnt dropped even a half a psi. In fact, it went up a touch due to the sun shining in on the tubing all afternoon. Concrete is scheduled for first thing tuesday am. yay. Tubing. Ill get some more pics, along with some overhead, tomorrow. ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13188-2/tubing+all+down.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13188-2/tubing+all+down.jpg) Manifolds. The extra pex to the left is for a slab temp sensor. I added a tube up front for one too. Im not sure Ill use it, but easier to put it in now! ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13191-2/manifold.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13191-2/manifold.jpg) Dan ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/52 "2012-09-17T17:45:07Z")
Snapped some pics with the Contour after work today. Using them to be sure I know right where everything is after the concrete goes in. ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13195-2/FILE0864.JPG](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13195-2/FILE0864.JPG) ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13217-2/FILE0872.JPG](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13217-2/FILE0872.JPG) ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13223-2/FILE0888.JPG](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13223-2/FILE0888.JPG) ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13229-2/FILE0912.JPG](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13229-2/FILE0912.JPG) Dan ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/53 "2012-09-17T18:16:42Z")
You’re like Spider Man. ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/54 "2012-09-18T05:50:18Z")
2 lifts planned? ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/55 "2012-09-18T07:30:11Z")
> [@97FormulaWS-6](#): > > 2 lifts planned? Options. I wasnt sure exactly where I wanted it so I made two possible locations. Ya know, since you cant go back and do it later. Dan ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/56 "2012-09-18T07:40:28Z")
> [@juicedz4](#): > > Options. I wasnt sure exactly where I wanted it so I made two possible locations. Ya know, since you cant go back and do it later. > > Dan Smart idea. Making the pad any thicker in those areas? What’s your pad/floor thickness? ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/57 "2012-09-18T07:48:54Z")
Its 5" thick, 4kpsi. No thicker there, its just not really necessary with a 9k lb lift. They only require 4" of 3kpsi. The extra pieces of rebar in that area should make it more than sufficient. The mason has a 18klb lift in his garage and he only went a couple inches thicker around the lift. Dan ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/58 "2012-09-18T08:10:36Z")
> [@juicedz4](#): > > Its 5" thick, 4kpsi. No thicker there, its just not really necessary with a 9k lb lift. They only require 4" of 3kpsi. > > The extra pieces of rebar in that area should make it more than sufficient. The mason has a 18klb lift in his garage and he only went a couple inches thicker around the lift. > > Dan Nice, good to know! ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/59 "2012-09-18T17:57:04Z")
So they JUST finished troweling. They’ve probably been at it since before noon. Unreal. Its gona be damn smooth. Anyway, here are a few pics from this am. I had the contour running too, but wont be able to retrieve the footage until tomorrow am. ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13235-2/2012-09-18+07_51_35.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13235-2/2012-09-18+07_51_35.jpg) ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13238-2/2012-09-18+08_00_22.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13238-2/2012-09-18+08_00_22.jpg) ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13241-2/2012-09-18+07_59_39.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13241-2/2012-09-18+07_59_39.jpg) ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13244-2/2012-09-18+08_28_34.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13244-2/2012-09-18+08_28_34.jpg) Two trucks. At the same time. Oh yeah. /Office Space ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13247-2/2012-09-18+08_32_07.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13247-2/2012-09-18+08_32_07.jpg) ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13250-2/2012-09-18+09_15_22.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13250-2/2012-09-18+09_15_22.jpg) Taken around 3PM ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13232-2/2012-09-18+15_00_18.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13232-2/2012-09-18+15_00_18.jpg) I managed to pick up the garage today and finish up the breaker box trim panel. ![http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13253-2/2012-09-18+16_13_27.jpg](http://clubhousecustoms.com/gallery2/d/13253-2/2012-09-18+16_13_27.jpg) More good pics tomorrow afternoon. Dan ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656/60 "2012-09-18T19:00:59Z")
Just put the finishing touches on my lift today. Let me know if you want pointers / help. Good concrete curing weather. Conveyor trucks make it alot easier! [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-shop-barn-build-thread/225656.md?page=4)