# Myths about America **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 23, 2006, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707 "2006-06-23T10:09:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/1 "2006-06-23T10:09:07Z")
MYTH: The US was founded on Christian principles. TRUTH: This is incorrect. The Constitution never once mentions a deity, because the Founding Fathers wanted to keep their new country “religion-neutral.” Our Founding Fathers were an eclectic collection of Atheists, Deists, Christians, Freemasons and Agnostics. George Washington, the Father of our country, and John Adams (Second President of the USA) CLEARLY stated in the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion.” G.W. rarely attended church and instead followed a popular 18th century philosophy called Deism—a Star Wars-esque philosophy that believed in a cosmic energy or big-ass universal “Force.” The dictionary says that Deism is “a system of thought advocating natural religion based on human reason rather than revelation,” that had nothing to do with Christian principles. James Madison, original mastermind of our Constitution, was an Atheist to the core who loved skewering Christianity. In 1785 he wrote, "What have been [Christianity’s] fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” Thomas Jefferson, who sat down and authored The Declaration of Independence, rarely missed an opportunity to laugh at Christianity. In a letter to John Adams in 1823, he wrote: “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus…will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” More ammo: In 1814, Tommy J. wrote about the Bible’s Old and New Testaments, "The whole history of these books is so defective and doubtful – evidence that parts have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds.” In fact, it was President Jefferson himself who first wrote (to a Baptist church group in 1802), “The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between Church and State.” Therefore, when Jefferson talked about “Nature’s God,” the “Creator” and “divine Providence ” in the Declaration that he wrote, he was being a hippie and referring to a general cosmic energy-- not the Christian God. America is not a Christian nation. Period. Our Constitution derived from the post-Christian Enlightenment values of reason and truth…never from the paranoid yammerings of that otherwise compassionate cult leader who fucking died in the Middle Eastern desert 3000 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![DrDoS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@DrDoS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DrDoS)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/2 "2006-06-23T10:11:20Z")
ok mr. anti-christ ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/3 "2006-06-23T10:11:52Z")
um… ok… I guess ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_Karus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mrs_karus/32/7426_2.png) [@Mrs\_Karus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mrs_Karus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/4 "2006-06-23T10:12:00Z")
I never thought that anyways. ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/5 "2006-06-23T10:13:22Z")
This just in: EARTH IS ROUND! ---
**Author:** ![AlbinoMonkeyRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AlbinoMonkeyRat](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AlbinoMonkeyRat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/6 "2006-06-23T10:13:49Z")
so you’re saying that on coins it says “in god we trust”, with the emphasis that the G in god is lowercase? Meaning “whatever god you believe in” and is this one of those threads you made just to stir shit up? lol ---
**Author:** ![MaximaSE98](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/maximase98/32/7600_2.png) [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/7 "2006-06-23T10:14:12Z")
i love joe… ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/8 "2006-06-23T10:15:34Z")
> [@walter](#): > > This just in: EARTH IS ROUND! lol ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/9 "2006-06-23T10:19:33Z")
> [@walter](#): > > This just in: EARTH IS ROUND! and more than 10,000 years old? Bull Fucking Shit. ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/10 "2006-06-23T10:20:21Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > and more than 10,000 years old? Bull Fucking Shit. And the center of the universe… ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/11 "2006-06-23T10:20:46Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > And the center of the universe… about time someone posted some truth in this thread… ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/12 "2006-06-23T10:24:16Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > And the center of the universe… > [@JoesTypeS](#): > > about time someone posted some truth in this thread… Teenage girls? ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/13 "2006-06-23T10:26:25Z")
> [@AlbinoMonkeyRat](#): > > so you’re saying that on coins it says “in god we trust”, with the emphasis that the G in god is lowercase? Meaning “whatever god you believe in” The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Source: US Treasury Department IN GOD WE TRUST replaced the original “motto” of the nation “E Pluribus Unum” meaning “Out of Many, One”…“E Pluribus Unum” can be seen on the scroll in the eagles mouth on the front of The Great Seal of the United States ![http://bensguide.gpo.gov/images/icons/coloringbk/seal_front.gif](http://bensguide.gpo.gov/images/icons/coloringbk/seal_front.gif) Oddly enough the motto on the back of the seal ANNUIT COEPTIS has been defined by the US State Department to mean “He [God] has favored our undertaking” You would think that refers to a christian god. However, “Annuit Coeptis” comes from the Aeneid, book IX, line 625, which reads, “Jupiter omnipotens, audacibus annue coeptis.” It is a prayer by the hero of the story, Aeneas, which translates to, “Jupiter omnipotent, favour [my] daring undertakings.” Jupiter is the most powerful of the gods of Roman mythology. ![http://bensguide.gpo.gov/images/icons/coloringbk/seal_back.gif](http://bensguide.gpo.gov/images/icons/coloringbk/seal_back.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/14 "2006-06-23T10:30:08Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. > > Source: US Treasury Department Fucking Lincoln. Letting the South secede would have made things so much better today. We’d all live in the United Blue States of America, and the Confederate Red States could do whatever they pleased. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/15 "2006-06-23T10:37:42Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Fucking Lincoln. > Letting the South secede would have made things so much better today. We’d all live in the broke ass United Blue States of America, and the Confederate Red States would have thriving economys. fixed 😃 lol ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/16 "2006-06-23T10:38:16Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > America is not a Christian nation. Period. Our Constitution derived from the post-Christian Enlightenment values of reason and truth…never from the paranoid yammerings of that otherwise compassionate cult leader who fucking died in the Middle Eastern desert 3000 years ago. 2000 years ago, but otherwise your thread is filled with incredible accurate and mind blowing facts! :rolljerk: OMG our Country was founded by people of varying beliefs! :jawdrop:Cnn’s not going to believe this one! ---
**Author:** ![OfficerK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@OfficerK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OfficerK)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/17 "2006-06-23T10:46:07Z")
> [@SC\_Steve](#): > > fixed 😃 lol lol our economy is really FTW now huh? ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/18 "2006-06-23T10:47:33Z")
> [@SC\_Steve](#): > > fixed 😃 lol Oh fucking really? States Receiving Most in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid: ( **Confederate States in Bold** ) ``` 1. D.C. ($6.17) 2. North Dakota ($2.03) 3. New Mexico ($1.89) 4. Mississippi ($1.84) 5. Alaska ($1.82) 6. West Virginia ($1.74) 7. Montana ($1.64) 8. Alabama ($1.61) 9. South Dakota ($1.59) 10. Arkansas ($1.53) ``` States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid: ( **Confederate States in Bold** ) ``` 1. New Jersey ($0.62) 2. Connecticut ($0.64) 3. New Hampshire ($0.68) 4. Nevada ($0.73) 5. Illinois ($0.77) 6. Minnesota ($0.77) 7. Colorado ($0.79) 8. Massachusetts ($0.79) 9. California ($0.81) 10. New York ($0.81) ``` ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/19 "2006-06-23T10:47:41Z")
> [@OfficerK](#): > > lol our economy is really FTW now huh? new yorks? 😉 joe… here is a tissue, wipe some of that sand out of your vagina ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2006, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707/20 "2006-06-23T11:57:19Z")
Lol…wow Joe…you REALLY dont get it. See this is why liberals make me laugh. Becaue you are so “open” and “accepting” of others…unless they disagree with you then they are totaly wrong and you will try your hardest to disprove them. I really dont know why you have Christianity so much…but you do realize that by your actions you are playing right into the book of Revolations in the bible right? you may say you thinks its all bs, but you are doing exactly what it said you would 2000 years ago…hmm. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/myths-about-america/13707.md?page=2)