# Nancy Pelosi & man/boy love **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 18, 2006, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950 "2006-10-18T07:22:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SI01](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/si01/32/7187_2.png) [@SI01](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SI01)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/21 "2006-10-26T20:29:15Z")
> [@bichinblackws6](#): > > Mark my words; laugh all you want, but mark my words. In your lifetime, you will see one, or both of the following take place: > > 1. The age of consent between an adult and a minor will erode away to somewhere around the age of 14. > > 2. Pedophilia will be removed from the DSM as a recognized mental disorder, and, like homosexuality, will be considered a “sexual orientation”. Probably not, annnnnnd probably not. I really hope you can see the difference between a gay person and a pedophile. If you can’t, I really can’t even begin to imagine how big the bubble you grew up in must be. ---
**Author:** ![bichinblackws6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bichinblackws6/32/5004_2.png) [@bichinblackws6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bichinblackws6)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/22 "2006-10-26T20:54:14Z")
My father is a retired cop. I have been “exposed” to, and “educated” about the seamier side of society, which is the part of society my father got to deal with every day in his career as a law enforcement officer. I didn’t grow up in a bubble. And, you completely missed my point, which was NOT to compare, associate, or make distinctions between homosexuals, and pedophiles. My point is, the general consensus regarding homosexuals in this country did a complete and total 180\* flip in about 2 generations. I am not saying right, wrong, or indifferent about the extremes to which anti-homosexual feelings ran in this country, just a mere 1 or 2 generations ago. The point is, those widely-held, hardcore sentiments about homosexuality changed, and changed rapidly. Right now, there are widely-held, hardcore sentiments against pedophiles. In your lifetime, you will see those widely-held, hardcore sentiments slowly become “liberalized”, just as they did with homosexuality. This is not comparing the two groups as to their lifestyles, but, rather, it is illustrating a point; that point being, given enough time, notions about things you never believed would be tolerated, let alone mainstreamed, can, and do change. There are places in the world RIGHT NOW where the age of sexual consent is 14. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/23 "2006-10-26T21:10:13Z")
> [@bichinblackws6](#): > > My point is, the general consensus regarding homosexuals in this country did a complete and total 180\* flip in about 2 generations. I am not saying right, wrong, or indifferent about the extremes to which anti-homosexual feelings ran in this country, just a mere 1 or 2 generations ago. The point is, those widely-held, hardcore sentiments about homosexuality changed, and changed rapidly. > > Right now, there are widely-held, hardcore sentiments against pedophiles. In your lifetime, you will see those widely-held, hardcore sentiments slowly become “liberalized”, just as they did with homosexuality. This is not comparing the two groups as to their lifestyles, but, rather, it is illustrating a point; that point being, given enough time, notions about things you never believed would be tolerated, let alone mainstreamed, can, and do change. > > There are places in the world RIGHT NOW where the age of sexual consent is 14. Just because there are places in the world where you can have sex with a 14 year old doesn’t mean that you will see that here. Yes 30 years ago people looked at homosexuality as a mental dissorder, partly do to ignorance of the subject and bigotry, but thats far from saying that because societies views have changed for homosexuals that pedophiles will some day get the same recognition. You say that you don’t want to relate the two but you are. When people say they are against same-sex marriage, one of the chief arguments is that it can lead to people marrying animals or children. Its absurd. Let me put you mind at rest, pedophilia will never be sanctioned in this country. Take a course in sociology and you will see that American society has typically always had children enter adulthood in thier late teenage years. To say that the age of consent will one day be at 14 is the same thing as saying that the age of becoming an adult will be 14. And that will not happen with in any of our life times. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/24 "2006-10-27T06:40:57Z")
Pedophilia, real pedophilia, IS a sexual preference. The problem is that it involves sex with a CHILD. There are also so many different levels of a pedophile. There are people who are only attracted to young children, and I’m talking like 8-12 what I would consider a real CHILD. Then there are the people you see on dateline. Comparing the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder and trying to use a slippery slope argument for the legalization of pedophilia is absurd. Consensual sex between to adults of the same sex is nothing remotely close to sex between an adult and child of ANY sex. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/25 "2006-10-27T07:14:45Z")
BlackWS6 I see your point. The thing that gives me hope though is that historically views regarding allowing adults to make their own choices have become more liberal, the protection of minors has become more conservative. I.E. Over the last 100 years the age of consent has only gotten older. But yeah, I hope to God that these retarded psychologists don’t lose all common sense and some day consider pedophilia “normal.” ---
**Author:** ![rskrause](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rskrause/32/7367_2.png) [@rskrause](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rskrause)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/26 "2006-10-27T11:22:04Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > what are you fucking kidding me? Gay rights and the quest for NAMBLA to legalize sex with minors have NOTHING to do with each other. Funny, that’s not how I see it. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/27 "2006-10-27T11:50:40Z")
> [@rskrause](#): > > Funny, that’s not how I see it. How many gays do you actually know? Do you think that all gays want to have sex with children? Does you opinoin hold true for lesbians as well? I don’t want to get in a pissing match, you just didn’t back up your statement. ---
**Author:** ![RobHimself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e480ec/32.png) [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/28 "2006-10-27T11:57:17Z")
> [@rskrause](#): > > Funny, that’s not how I see it. I can respect your opinion but it is hard to take you seriously when you think homosexuals = kid touchers. That is like saying black people = thieves. ---
**Author:** ![zwarbyt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zwarbyt/32/7623_2.png) [@zwarbyt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zwarbyt)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/29 "2006-10-27T12:08:24Z")
Most child molesters are hetrosexual, they enjoy sex with children because of the power they have over them, not because of thier sex men who like men dont like kids, thats not to say it doesnt happen, but its far more likely for a heterosexual male to molest a boy then it is a gay male i cannot believe the biggotry and hate you redneck bastards hold 20 years ago you were the same people who said that i blacks had rights it would eat away at our morals, that they would rape our women and pollute our race your fucking stupid ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/30 "2006-10-27T12:53:17Z")
> [@zwarbyt](#): > > Most child molesters are hetrosexual, they enjoy sex with children because of the power they have over them, not because of thier sex > > men who like men dont like kids, thats not to say it doesnt happen, but its far more likely for a heterosexual male to molest a boy then it is a gay male > > i cannot believe the biggotry and hate you redneck bastards hold > > 20 years ago you were the same people who said that i blacks had rights it would eat away at our morals, that they would rape our women and pollute our race > > your fucking stupid :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Denton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Denton](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Denton)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/31 "2006-10-27T13:04:53Z")
> [@rskrause](#): > > Funny, that’s not how I see it. you should get your eyes checked > [@the ghey](#): > > you’re fucking stupid fixed ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/32 "2006-10-27T16:50:35Z")
I do actually understand making a comparison with NAMBLA (or polygamy activists for that matter) and the gay rights movement. A lot of the research performed in the pursuit of finding a biological basis for homosexuality is inconclusive or crap (remember this was a huge reason on why homosexuality was removed from the DSM, and helping to change public opinion of homosexuality). Of course, the only people or groups of people that are able to refute horrible research and be taken seriously are fairly liberal. Although I did read a book by Simon LeVay that was fairly unbiased, but the thing about gay-opponents is that they use their religion (many times) to battle homosexuality, and gay-proponents use poorly implemented scientific findings to show their point. I don’t find it hard to believe that pedophiles could find a “biological component for pedophelia.” Remember it’s still debated that the interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus has more cell density in homosexuals because it is genetic/hormonal or if being homosexual causes INAH to become more dense. Get ready–they may find a part of the brain that is different in pedophiles and then you’ll have “it’s not their fault!” And so it will go. Not that it matters but I think there is a biological basis for homosexuality, but I also think that certain behaviors of homosexuals are learned. Not many homosexuals want to believe this. Not many liberals want to “concede” to this. The world is always absolute in the eyes of staunch conservatives and liberals. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/33 "2006-10-27T17:25:28Z")
behavior is exercised by will. To whom you’re attracted to is not. > [@rskrause](#): > > Funny, that’s not how I see it. How? The underlying quest of NAMBLA is to legalize sex with minors, the fact that they are a fringe group of gay men has nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![rskrause](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rskrause/32/7367_2.png) [@rskrause](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rskrause)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/34 "2006-10-27T18:32:00Z")
> [@RobHimself](#): > > I can respect your opinion but it is hard to take you seriously when you think homosexuals = kid touchers. That is like saying black people = thieves. This is the statement I was responding to: “what are you fucking kidding me? Gay rights and the quest for NAMBLA to legalize sex with minors have NOTHING to do with each other.” Yes, I see a relationship. The NAMBLA people are GAY. I am not saying all pedophiles want to have sex with same-sex children. Some do, some don’t. But many are homosexual pedophiles, per NAMBLA’s website: “Our movement today stresses the liberation and empowerment of young people. Instead of pedagogy, democracy. Rather than a Greek love mentor-relationship, the companionship of independent and autonomous individuals. In place of male supremacy, a vision of sexual, economic, and political liberation for all. Freedom is indivisible. The liberation of children, women, boy-lovers, and **_homosexuals in general_** , can occur only as complementary facets of the same dream.” As far as heterosexual pedophiles, they _are_ different, obviously. But the gay male pedophiles see themselves as part of the gay “movement”, even if you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Denton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Denton](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Denton)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/35 "2006-10-27T18:44:39Z")
> [@rskrause](#): > > Yes, I see a relationship. The NAMBLA people are GAY. I am not saying all pedophiles want to have sex with same-sex children. Some do, some don’t. But many are homosexual pedophiles So you also find a relationship between terrorism and islam right? By this same logic you can find a relationship between rapists and coffee drinkers. Commonality has nothing to do with causality. ---
**Author:** ![SI01](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/si01/32/7187_2.png) [@SI01](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SI01)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/36 "2006-10-27T18:51:29Z")
> [@zwarbyt](#): > > Most child molesters are hetrosexual, they enjoy sex with children because of the power they have over them, not because of thier sex > > men who like men dont like kids, thats not to say it doesnt happen, but its far more likely for a heterosexual male to molest a boy then it is a gay male > > i cannot believe the biggotry and hate you redneck bastards hold > > 20 years ago you were the same people who said that i blacks had rights it would eat away at our morals, that they would rape our women and pollute our race > > your fucking stupid x2 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f6c823/32.png) [@QuickSilver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/37 "2006-10-27T21:30:04Z")
> [@rskrause](#): > > Yes, I see a relationship. The NAMBLA people are GAY. I am not saying all pedophiles want to have sex with same-sex children. Some do, some don’t. But many are homosexual pedophiles. > > . How can you condemn a whole group of people based on the wacked out beliefs of a small group. That would be like me condemning christianity based on that fucked up church that protests at military funerals. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/38 "2006-10-27T22:18:27Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > behavior is exercised by will. To whom you’re attracted to is not. > > How? The underlying quest of NAMBLA is to legalize sex with minors, the fact that they are a fringe group of gay men has nothing to do with it. Okay… I won’t argue this because it’s a blanket statement and the issue is too complex to break down that simply. Some behaviors are not exercised by will, attraction is learned but not necessarily by will. Bha. Complex. I have no problem with Nancy Pelosi parading with gays if that’s the group she chooses to use to gain votes. Cute. We all have to make money somehow, possibly whoring yourself out for the gay cause is one of the many ways to do such a thing. I’m never really convinced, but some gay people are. What I do have a problem with is homosexual groups allowing NAMBLA to parade with them. It appears that in the quest for more support they are willing to allow people of with questionable purposes to act with them. By doing this they have opened themselves up to having their morals questioned, and being linked with NAMBLA. I certainly want to know why, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the grocery store variety American to ask this, either. Activist gays are not being very responsible here. They represent homosexuals in many people’s eyes, but they are hardly representational. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/39 "2006-10-27T22:19:58Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > How can you condemn a whole group of people based on the wacked out beliefs of a small group. > > That would be like me condemning christianity based on that fucked up church that protests at military funerals. It’s not like the LGBT community has condemned NAMBLA. See my post above. ---
**Author:** ![bichinblackws6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bichinblackws6/32/5004_2.png) [@bichinblackws6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bichinblackws6)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2006, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950/40 "2006-10-28T01:11:56Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Just because there are places in the world where you can have sex with a 14 year old doesn’t mean that you will see that here. > > _It doesn’t mean you **won’t** see it here, either. Five years ago I could have said that just because you see terrorism in other places in the world, doesn’t mean you’ll see it here._ > > Yes 30 years ago people looked at homosexuality as a mental dissorder, partly do to ignorance of the subject and bigotry, but thats far from saying that because societies views have changed for homosexuals that pedophiles will some day get the same recognition. > > _No, it’s not far from saying pedophiles will someday get the same “recognition”. As a matter of fact, it’s frighteningly close. Just by admitting that society changed its views, you made my point._ > > You say that you don’t want to relate the two but you are. When people say they are against same-sex marriage, one of the chief arguments is that it can lead to people marrying animals or children. Its absurd. > > _Don’t put words in my mouth. I am not relating the two, and have never even come close to doing so in my debate. My point is that cultural beliefs, tolerance, and views can, and do, change over time._ > > > > _Absurd? Oh, really? And the forced marriages between minors and adults recently uncovered in Utah is absurd?_ > > Let me put you mind at rest, pedophilia will never be sanctioned in this country. Take a course in sociology and you will see that American society has typically always had children enter adulthood in thier late teenage years. > > _You won’t put my mind at rest with your sophist, fellacious attempts at reason. Crack open a sociology book yourself. You’ll find that American society has typically held murder to be illegal, but that doesn’t seem to be putting the brakes on that behavior. Some of you will someday wake up, and finally realize that it is impossible to legislate adulthood, simply by stating that it is attained when one reaches some arbitrary age limit. Calling individuals “adults”, simply because they are in their late teens, is patently ridiculous._ > > To say that the age of consent will one day be at 14 is the same thing as saying that the age of becoming an adult will be 14. And that will not happen with in any of our life times. > > _Pardon me, Nostradamus, but I must have missed that quatrain. And your grasp on the concept of consent is tenuous, at best. Consent is defined as the approval or acceptance of something done or proposed by another. You’ll find the age of “consent” for marriage is quite different in many states, as is the age of consent to enter into a legally binding contract, or to legally consent to the buying and selling of alcohol to individuals of a certain age. The age of consent to agree to partake in ceretain activities varies widely throughout the United States. Consenting to engage in sexual activity is just one of hundreds of different forms of consent. And while you’re perusing your sociology book, make sure you take note of the statutes of limitations, and the criminal penalties for the crime of statutory rape, which is forcible sexual relations with a minor._ _The statutes of limitations, and the criminal penalties__for the crime of statutory rape change, WITHIN THE SAME STATE, with the age of the child. You’ll do more time, and have to wait a longer time for the_ _statute of limitations to run out if you rape an 11 year-old, than if you rape a 13 year-old. Now isn’t that a brilliant piece of legislation. Already, there are laws on the books differing in severity over a mere 2 years in age for raping a child. And you think pedophilia is going to remain a permanent taboo?_ Think again. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nancy-pelosi-man-boy-love/18950.md?page=3)