# "Need-to-knows" on a Grand National motor
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243
**Category:** PittSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [October 20, 2008, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243 "2008-10-20T06:16:21Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/21 "2008-11-10T05:10:55Z")
who needs a pole?
:eek3:
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### Author:  [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/22 "2008-11-10T09:07:15Z")
Wouldent a turbo 99+ chevy setup be cheaper?
4.8 5.3 or 6.0?
then u could tune with HP tuners
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### Author:  [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/23 "2008-11-10T09:33:00Z")
im not down with riding the bandwagon…
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### Author:  [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/24 "2008-11-10T11:58:53Z")
I hate to break it to you jay. But you on a wagon with the GN stuff, a wagon with wooden wheels!
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### Author:  [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/25 "2008-11-10T12:43:50Z")
> [@dsm bogging down](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-bogging-down/38329/10):
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> yes they were higher in nickle content making them hard to ruin
why does everyone on [TB.com](http://TB.com) say thats they are no more higher nickel than any other block? you really think GM made special provisions just for the turbo buick? i mean were talkin about 30,000 cars or so. until i see some lab results i’m doubting that urban legend.
here ya go C-nut
> [@Nick Micale](#):
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> This was debated many times on GNTTYPE, and one of the members had access to a lab and did testing on 109 and earlier blocks.
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> The analysis proved it was the same metaluragy and nickel content in ALL Buick V-6 blocks.
now the lifter valley of a 109 N/A or turbo block is beefier than that of an earlier 3.8. the 4.1 and 84/85 3.8 are very similar in the lifter valley and the 4.1’s have been proven into the 700 hp range.
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### Author:  [@GNocide](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GNocide)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/26 "2008-11-10T15:42:01Z")
\*\*\*\* nick-
molecule compounds and metal alloys is not one of the things that i trust to “someone” with lab access
richard clark i trust-
everyone else don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground
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### Author:  [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/27 "2008-11-10T15:53:28Z")
[http://cgi.ebay.com/RICHARD-CLARK-OPEN-HOUSE-NC-BUICK-GRAND-NATIONAL-GNX-T\_W0QQitemZ230303273414QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081025?IMSfp=TL081025104003r13982](http://cgi.ebay.com/RICHARD-CLARK-OPEN-HOUSE-NC-BUICK-GRAND-NATIONAL-GNX-T_W0QQitemZ230303273414QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081025?IMSfp=TL081025104003r13982)
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### Author:  [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/28 "2008-11-10T16:39:55Z")
wow, thats a lot of GN’s!!
I’ve started to loose the love of putting the 3.8l in it… I dont have any decent motors laying around anymore, so i’ll have to build from scratch.
I think 6-700whp is what i’d like to have… but it seems like it takes an extra amount of work to make that out of a 3.8l (maybe not, im still not educated enough on it). I like the idea of an aluminum head/block motor as well so if i blow it up i can weld it back up and slide another sleeve in it…
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### Author:  [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/29 "2008-11-10T18:44:51Z")
LSx
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/30 "2008-11-11T08:25:09Z")
You should put a big block ford in it, since you like to be different. I even have a motor for you. :D:D:D
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### Author:  [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/31 "2008-11-11T09:17:13Z")
i’d like to use a motor that weighs less than the car itself
🙂
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### Author:  [@SoLow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoLow)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/32 "2008-11-11T09:30:50Z")
> [@Free range rover mods FTW.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/free-range-rover-mods-ftw/38655/36):
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> LSx
:stupid:
you could get ur 6-700hp easily then
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### Author:  [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/33 "2008-11-11T09:40:07Z")
> [@Another reason why dogs rule](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-reason-why-dogs-rule/38635/44):
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> \*\*\*\* nick-
>
> molecule compounds and metal alloys is not one of the things that i trust to “someone” with lab access
>
> richard clark i trust-
> everyone else don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground
rc knows a lot but where is his proof? thats all im saying. you’ve been tellin me for years the 109 is “special” but i’ve yet to see proof and only have heard they are no different.
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/34 "2008-11-11T09:41:39Z")
> [@you better hope you dont get HPV.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-better-hope-you-dont-get-hpv/38659/18):
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> i’d like to use a motor that weighs less than the car itself
>
> 🙂
my 390FE is only about 600 lbs. 😃
> [@COD 4](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cod-4/38120/141):
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> rc knows a lot but where is his proof? thats all im saying. you’ve been tellin me for years the 109 is “special” but i’ve yet to see proof and only have heard they are no different.
would you two STFU. every damn thread with the mention of g-body has you two b itching at eachother about who knows more about lame a s s cars from the 80’s that noone gives a s h i t about anymore.
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### Author:  [@starboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/starboy)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/35 "2008-11-11T10:01:49Z")
this thread is GN certified since it mentions richard twice :bigthumb:
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### Author:  [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/36 "2008-11-11T10:37:57Z")
> [@Buffalo Bills 2007 Season Discussion](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-bills-2007-season-discussion/35063/542):
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> would you two STFU. every damn thread with the mention of g-body has you two b itching at eachother about who knows more about lame a s s cars from the 80’s that noone gives a s h i t about anymore.
well obviously this thread was started because someone does care about a lame a s s car from the 80’s
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### Author:  [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/37 "2008-11-11T11:05:48Z")
> [@GNTTYPE.ORG](#):
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> Casting 25526109 **NA Block**
> EDX analysis showed a large peak at ~6.4 KeV which is Iron (Fe). A secondary peak occurred at ~7.0 KeV which is also Iron (Fe). No other emission lines that correspond to Iron (Fe). A small peak was present at ~1.7 KeV which is Silicon (Si). A very small peak at ~5.4 KeV which is Chromium (Cr) or could also be noise. There is also a very small peak at 5.9 KeV, which is Manganese (Mn) or possible noise. **There were no emissions in the range of Nickel (Ni) ~7.5 KeV and ~0.8 KeV.**
>
> Composition: Iron, some Silicon, some Manganese (maybe), and some Chromium (maybe).
> [@GNTTYPE.ORG](#):
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> Casting 25526109 **Turbo Block**
> EDX analysis showed a large peak at ~6.4 KeV which is Iron (Fe). A secondary peak occurred at ~7.0 KeV which is also Iron (Fe). No other emission lines that correspond to Iron (Fe). A small peak was present at ~1.7 KeV which is Silicon (Si). **There were no emissions in the range of Nickel (Ni) ~7.5 KeV and ~0.8 KeV.** No emissions in the range of Manganese (Mn) ~5.9 KeV and ~0.6 KeV.
>
> Composition: Iron and some Silicon
I’m not a scientist but this is something on paper that makes sense and i can reference.
ur still my boy C-Nut 😉
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### Author:  [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2008, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/38 "2008-11-11T11:11:50Z")
> [@FS: 1993 Ranger V6 4x4 $1200](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-1993-ranger-v6-4x4-1200/37703/26):
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> I’m going to be looking to purchase a motor soon, but wanted to see if anyone knew the big things to know, look for, year differences, etc…
> **[Block Photo Guide](http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pictureguides/blocks/blockguide.html)**
>
> Turbo Regal Performance Recipes
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### Author:  [@jcscaddy003](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jcscaddy003)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/39 "2008-11-26T13:45:49Z")
> **[2003 Cadillac CTS-B - Feature - GM High-Tech Performance](http://www.superchevy.com/features/0405htp-2003-cadillac-cts-b-feature/)**
>
> Take a look at a Cadillac CTS with over 400 horses, brought to you by GM High-Tech Performance Magazine
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### Author:  [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2008, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-to-knows-on-a-grand-national-motor/200243/40 "2008-11-27T07:17:13Z")
> [@Do you still think the Patriots needed those tapes?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-still-think-the-patriots-needed-those-tapes/37788/74):
>
> [Block Photo Guide](http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pictureguides/blocks/blockguide.html)
oo i like that! thanks man.
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