# Neighborhood watch leader shoots FL teen **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 24, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127 "2012-03-24T12:43:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/221 "2013-07-19T06:15:36Z")
> [@kid tries to scam shop for 16K worth of work.....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/kid-tries-to-scam-shop-for-16k-worth-of-work/53166/13): > > nobody said anything about not be responsible for your own actions. YOU just said that, no one else did > > It blows my mind how you do not understand “heat of the moment” and “seeing red” situations. adrenaline kicks in and people go further than they intended to. this doesn’t make them not responsible, no one ever suggested that. But where they intended to just defend themselves from say an attacker they have now killed someone because they just kept swinging and swinging until it ends in a bloody mess and by the time they realize it the attacker is now dead. So does that happen every time? If not, how come sometimes people in an identical fight situation will stop and sometimes they wont? Genetics? Upbringing? Choice? Or what you’re telling me is that every fight ends in one person being in the heat of the moment killing the other guy? You seem to have a good grasp on this heat of the moment and seeing red situations and you clearly understand them, as I do not. Please explain to me what exactly causes those situations to happen and trigger them as they do not happen every time… ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/222 "2013-07-19T06:22:35Z")
It’s not an If-Then statement, don’t try to make it one ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/223 "2013-07-19T06:25:54Z")
> [@kid tries to scam shop for 16K worth of work.....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/kid-tries-to-scam-shop-for-16k-worth-of-work/53166/15): > > It’s not an If-Then statement, don’t try to make it one What is it then? You have a firm understanding on this concept and it’s fair to assume you’ve never experienced it as I doubt you’ve killed a person. For you to talk in such detail and affirmation about an experience that you’ve never experienced I can only assume that you’ve researched the matter in scholarly articles? Otherwise you’d be just talking out of your ass. Any links to the sources so the uneducated like myself can follow your foot paths to understanding this matter without having a first hand experience of killing somebody in a heat of the moment? ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/224 "2013-07-19T06:31:02Z")
I said that in the heat of the moment people go further than they intended to. If you to suggest that IF a person is in the heat of the moment THEN they will kill someone is asinine. links? go ahead and goggle it. you’re great with Google as you prove time and time again ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/225 "2013-07-19T06:36:26Z")
> [@kid tries to scam shop for 16K worth of work.....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/kid-tries-to-scam-shop-for-16k-worth-of-work/53166/16): > > I said that in the heat of the moment people go further than they intended to. > > If you to suggest that IF a person is in the heat of the moment THEN they will kill someone is asinine. > > links? go ahead and goggle it. you’re great with Google as you prove time and time again Yes you got me once again, I’m the only person on Shift who uses google. You meddling kids and your Bing search engine always get the best of me. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/226 "2013-07-19T11:36:22Z")
> [@Madden 09 Xbox 360](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/madden-09-xbox-360/52753/42): > > Wtf is liberal about anything I’m saying. :rofl > > You don’t know my political stance or who I voted for, so stop assuming, otherwise I’ll call you a communist for all I care having as much evidence on you as you have on me. > > **Regardless when you IN THIS MOMEMENT (good band) beat somebody to the point of knocking them out and them laying on the ground unconscious, do you or do you not MAKE A CHOICE to FINISH them and snap there neck vs running away?** > > Riddle me that batman. > > Shit, if you don’t make any choices IN THIS MOMENT, nobody would ever be found guilty in a fight. > > I deleted your post for making a personal assault like a kid and breaking a cardinal rule of the forum instead of talking like a real human being. Be glad I didn’t ban you. > > Edit: For people that love personal individual responsibility you guys sure you love a random imaginary scapegoat of a person being out of control of their body doing whatever their body wants them to do and them not being responsible for it :ponder Typically people don’t kill someone after they knocked them out. Most sane people run away or go get help once the threat has been stopped. They don’t usually kill a man while he’s already unconscious. Either way, that’s apples to oranges compared to Zimmerman’s case. Trayvon Martin was beating Z’s head into the ground, and Z shot him when he had a chance to stop the threat. He did not stop the threat and then stop it permanently. Z, at the point, made an “in the moment” decision to save his own life. If he knocked Martin out and THEN shot him, that would’ve gotten him convicted because at that point, given what I understand about law and how I was following the actual trial (not the media’s portrayal, but HLN’s minute-by-minute unbiased updates), the jury would’ve found Z guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There is a huge difference between neutralizing threats and neutralizing THEN killing them. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/227 "2013-07-19T13:46:17Z")
We left the Zimmerman case in this discussion a long time ago, but I’m glad to see that you realize decisions have been made in that incident on both sides that determined their actions instead of them mindlessly doing things like robots and having no control out their bodies. That’s what started the whole tangent anyway. And I’m still looking for a motive for a scared teen to go out of his way to chase down, jump and attempt to kill a neighborhood watchman in his own neighbourhood. This isn’t something that “just happens” there was no “heat of the moment”, there was a fight or flight and he made the choice to not only fight but initialize too. Nobody that follows the case can tell me why. Keep in mind Zimmerman being proven innocent doesnt mean he didnt do it, just means it couldn’t be proven. ---
**Author:** ![Yetti\_VR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yetti_vr/32/6357_2.png) [@Yetti\_VR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Yetti_VR)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/228 "2013-07-19T15:10:41Z")
you’re assuming he was a “scared teen”. who the hell said anything about him being scared… ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/229 "2013-07-19T16:36:19Z")
> [@Say something myself vs. Call the cops](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/say-something-myself-vs-call-the-cops/53143/31): > > you’re assuming he was a “scared teen”. who the hell said anything about him being scared… As I remember from the start of the thing he made a call to his gf? talking about the matter. Unless that was found out to be fabricated or inaccurate during the course since then? ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/230 "2013-07-19T17:56:51Z")
> [@The Official Nyspeed Photo Hunt v.3rd times a charm](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-official-nyspeed-photo-hunt-v-3rd-times-a-charm/53165/65): > > We left the Zimmerman case in this discussion a long time ago, but I’m glad to see that you realize decisions have been made in that incident on both sides that determined their actions instead of them mindlessly doing things like robots and having no control out their bodies. > > That’s what started the whole tangent anyway. > > And I’m still looking for a motive for a scared teen to go out of his way to chase down, jump and attempt to kill a neighborhood watchman in his own neighbourhood. This isn’t something that “just happens” there was no “heat of the moment”, there was a fight or flight and he made the choice to not only fight but initialize too. Nobody that follows the case can tell me why. > > Keep in mind Zimmerman being proven innocent doesnt mean he didnt do it, just means it couldn’t be proven. Are you that fucking blind Vlad. You want a motive? You have no fucking understanding of the black community and you never will, especially as you drink your kool-aid. It’s gets fucking old. You using English as a second language better than most do as their first to try to manipulate situations and forward the liberal agenda that I always complain swims in your head. I like you. Alot. Your a fucking idiot tho. Go shit somewhere. Like in a funnel. Then suck on it. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/231 "2013-07-19T18:00:40Z")
> [@Farting Co-Workers](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/farting-co-workers/53065/36): > > Are you that fucking blind Vlad. You want a motive? You have no fucking understanding of the black community and you never will, especially as you drink your kool-aid. It’s gets fucking old. You using English as a second language better than most do as their first to try to manipulate situations and forward the liberal agenda that I always complain swims in your head. I like you. Alot. Your a fucking idiot tho. Go shit somewhere. Like in a funnel. Then suck on it. Nothing shows better shows to the other party that you’re clear headed and logical in an argument like talking generics and saying that the other side is “blind” while failing to explain or provide any evidence. :rofl You asked if I want motive, and I rather clearly explained that I do. You seem to have great understanding of ethnic communities, explain to me the Hispanic community? And it is **“you’re”\*\*** … ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/232 "2013-07-19T18:08:37Z")
And for the 3205982 time, if you want to talk about me and all of my “agendas”, start another thread this; isn’t about me it’s about the event, which is different from me, a concept you’re not grasping. I am flattered however. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/233 "2013-07-19T18:12:14Z")
Nope. I like just firing random missles. Kinda like the rebels fighting with the head fucktards in charge over yonder. I’m not gonna try to teach, or lead, just gonna call a spade a spade , Spade. Stop being so mad that you have a small Penis. Please. That was for Trey 🙂 Oh. And look up “rhetorical”. Google is your buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/234 "2013-07-19T18:23:09Z")
> [@Farting Co-Workers](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/farting-co-workers/53065/37): > > Nope. I like just firing random missles. Kinda like the rebels fighting with the head fucktards in charge over yonder. I’m not gonna try to teach, or lead, just gonna call a spade a spade , Spade. > > Stop being so mad that you have a small Penis. Please. > > That was for Trey > > 🙂 > > Oh. And look up “rhetorical”. Google is your buddy. Jammer is talking about my penis? I can die happy! :wow Glad you still like me even though my penis is not up to your par :rofl ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/235 "2013-07-19T18:25:31Z")
Oh. I’m sorry. Guess I musta saw Red. Not sure. I just did it. It just happened. Whoops. My bad. I posted in the heat of the moment. Please forgive my penis comments. I know that crosses the line. I almost don’t even remember saying it. Hmm. Maybe your right. Freudian slip? Hmmm. Yeah. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/236 "2013-07-19T18:27:01Z")
> [@The Official Nyspeed Photo Hunt v.3rd times a charm](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-official-nyspeed-photo-hunt-v-3rd-times-a-charm/53165/81): > > Oh. I’m sorry. Guess I musta saw Red. Not sure. I just did it. It just happened. Whoops. My bad. Don’t shoot! ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/237 "2013-07-19T18:29:33Z")
Too late. Is this a “Stand your ground” site? ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/238 "2013-07-19T18:33:26Z")
Parting shot before I head out… You Vladamere, have an ability to articulate, to bad so much of your education came from the Internet. It’s not repairable. Sad actually. Okie. Sleep tight That’s said, I respect your critical Thinking. Commie ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/239 "2013-07-19T18:37:34Z")
> [@The Official Nyspeed Photo Hunt v.3rd times a charm](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-official-nyspeed-photo-hunt-v-3rd-times-a-charm/53165/83): > > Parting shot before I head out… > > You Vladamere, have an ability to articulate, to bad so much of your education came from the Internet. It’s not repairable. Sad actually. > > Okie. Sleep tight > > That’s said, I respect your critical > Thinking. > > Commie You’re amazing :crackup Farewell. Spell well. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127/240 "2013-07-19T18:37:59Z")
Wait. I take that back. That’s someone else’s critical thinking, you just regurgitate alot of it. :- [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/neighborhood-watch-leader-shoots-fl-teen/263127.md?page=13)