# NETWORK EXCLUSIVE: Introducing Niagara Falls World of Motorsport! **URL:** \ **Category:** Network Information\ **Created:** [March 17, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705 "2010-03-17T16:24:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![onefst240](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onefst240/32/7224_2.png) [@onefst240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/onefst240)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/121 "2010-03-25T13:18:08Z")
WoW this sucks. 2 reasons why i hate old farts. 1 they cant drive and 2 it must go there way or no way. ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/122 "2010-03-25T18:40:34Z")
[QUOTE=;][/QUOTE] I was unable to attend due to other obligations at another race track. Those that did attend, and especially those that spoke up at the meeting should be commended. Thanks Guys :tup: Like Jay S., I had my reservations and doubts for the same reasons he did, and from what I’m reading here, what I expected was pretty much what happened. Hopefully Onyx is right and the fact that many of the concerns that people had have already been identified along with solutions to mitigate the problems. The real test now is will the city council take that list, be reasonable with some shred of common sense, and make a fair assessment. At the end of the day, money talks and the bullshit walks. If the money is there, it will happen. If the money is in the other court, then it won’t. Having a track less than 30min. away would be great for anyome interested in motorsports at any level. I know personally for me, getting seat time would be way easier than what I currently have to do. What really is a shame is that a lot of people on this board did a whole lot of talking when Dunville went down. A lot of lip service about if we could get a track, they would show support. How is it that only 10(?) people showed up to this? This was the opportunity for NYSpeed (and the other boards) to step up. The vast majority of you did anything but. Wasn’t that the point of combining all the boards? Bigger voice? Bigger weiight? What happened? Sad, yet predictable. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/123 "2010-03-25T19:11:41Z")
We had 3 guys from Function show up, 3-4 SON guys and 6 NYspeeders plus myself as far as i know… If there is another meeting of this sort we will need to triple those numbers at least to have any impact. A major point of contention here is the “who will come to this venue” because there are no confirmed events. We need to show and and stated clearly and decisively that we will come, just as we went to dunnville. I did state quite clearly that our group had brought hundreds upon thousands of people to dunnville over the years and to our other events here and there and that we are looking forward to hosting events at the proposed venue… CSCS provided a letter of support which i submitted and we also had a letter from the Basil Automotive group of WNY that i read to the chamber. We need more people to confirm future attendence so that the city can have something to fall back on. It isnt enough to have a willing investor and an eager land owner. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/124 "2010-03-26T04:15:14Z")
> [@bing](#): > > We had 3 guys from Function show up, 3-4 SON guys and 6 NYspeeders plus myself as far as i know… > > If there is another meeting of this sort we will need to triple those numbers at least to have any impact. > > A major point of contention here is the “who will come to this venue” because there are no confirmed events. We need to show and and stated clearly and decisively that we will come, just as we went to dunnville. I did state quite clearly that our group had brought hundreds upon thousands of people to dunnville over the years and to our other events here and there and that we are looking forward to hosting events at the proposed venue… CSCS provided a letter of support which i submitted and we also had a letter from the Basil Automotive group of WNY that i read to the chamber. > > We need more people to confirm future attendence so that the city can have something to fall back on. It isnt enough to have a willing investor and an eager land owner. Bing…quick question. The woman who spoke second, meaning the town official, she mentioned being able to email comments about the proposal. Do you happen to have this contact information? ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/125 "2010-03-26T04:41:32Z")
[QUOTE=;][/QUOTE] The reporter for the Niagara Falls Review has published his article on the meeting: > **[Niagara Falls News Headlines | The Review](https://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/)** > > Your Niagara Falls source for daily breaking news, local stories, life, opinion, voices from the community, events and more. > [@RAY SPITERI](#): > > A clear theme emerged from Wednesday evening’s public meeting surrounding a proposal to build a motorsports park in Niagara Falls: Opposition. > “Most people wear ear protection when attending these venues, or they should be,” said Bibianne Henry, who lives about six kilometres from the proposed site. “I don’t intend spending my days gardening, mowing my lawn or whatever wearing ear protectors. I love where I live. I like my peace and quiet.” > > Whether it was noise, traffic, air pollution, impacts to habitat or depreciated value to surrounding properties, the majority of people who took to the podium at city hall made clear their desire to see Niagara Region reject a plan that would primarily see a 5.6-kilometre road course and drag strip built on land bounded by Bossert Road, Sodom Road and the QEW. It was a message echoed throughout the roughly three-hour meeting, where most of the 30 or so speakers railed against the Niagara Falls World of Motorsports proposal. > About 150 people attended the session. People filled the visitor seats, lined the walls and stood outside the council chamber. > The site currently contains a private airfield with a 1,370-metre runway. If the project goes ahead, the airfield use will continue. The existing runway will function as a drag strip and be incorporated into the overall design of the road track. > Garry Beck, who lives on Sodom Road, said the proposal will “destroy” the heritage of a registered airport, which was part of air training during the Second World War. > Lee Abrahamson, who is spearheading the roughly $20-million proposal, said he understands many of the concerns expressed by residents and his group is trying to mitigate them. > For example, the plan is to erect a 30-foot high berm around most of the track to prevent excessive noise, he said. > “The basic operations, the day-to- day operations of this facility, fall within the Ministry of Environment guidelines for noise, except when we do a major international event,” he said. “Our idea down the road, probably within a five-year time span, is to get some major international events. This means that I cannot turn around to the people who organized these events, or who run these series, and tell them that they have to put mufflers on their cars or their motorcycles. It won’t work, they won’t come. So therefore, we are asking in our application to be exempt for eight weekends a year where we will not be able to conform to the Ministry of Environment guidelines.” > Abrahamson said the project is expected to create about 250 full-time and part-time jobs. Within a five-year period, he said the proposal should attract about 700,000 additional spectators or visitors to the facility and Niagara Falls in general, generating about $110 million. > Jan Jaluvka, a local lawyer, questioned many of the proponents projections. > “A lot of the numbers being thrown around sound very alluring,” he said. “Of course, they’re strictly projections. There are no hard facts to back up those predictions. I think it’s a lot of speculation and wishful thinking.” > Kevin Goodacre, a Dixon Street resident, has been drag racing for about 30 years. He said while residents have valid concerns, they should also look at the economic benefits the proposal would bring to the region. > “Yes, we have attractions here, but we also need more,” he said. “We’ve lost our manufacturing in this area … so anything extra that we can get would be great. It’s more money in the area.” > Regional staff will take public input into account as it prepares a recommendation report for regional council, expected in the next few months. > [rspiteri@nfreview.com](mailto:rspiteri@nfreview.com) ---
**Author:** ![Philly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/philly/32/5748_2.png) [@Philly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Philly)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/126 "2010-03-26T05:00:41Z")
Did the Region request a Noise Study or a Traffic Impact Study for the site?? I assume if they are planning to be built out by the end of 2010 then it must have been done. If not we do those studies at my Firm. I dunno how that guy thinks that the sound will travel 5 – 6 kms to his house. My mom lives at around 4 kilometres from exhibition and you can’t hear the Indy cars in the summer. AND they’re INDY CARS. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/127 "2010-03-26T05:37:24Z")
All of the studies have been completed and stamped off by the Region planning board. People were bitching about things without knowing or reviewing all of the facts. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/128 "2010-03-26T05:43:52Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > All of the studies have been completed and stamped off by the Region planning board. People were bitching about things without knowing or reviewing all of the facts. Truth. Still…I’d love to see the second speaker’s 49 points. ---
**Author:** ![Philly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/philly/32/5748_2.png) [@Philly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Philly)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/129 "2010-03-26T06:31:18Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > All of the studies have been completed and stamped off by the Region planning board. People were bitching about things without knowing or reviewing all of the facts. I have to deal with bullshit like this every day. Fucking ‘NIMBY’ bullshit. There is always someone that has a problem with every development. If the required studies have proven that this development will not impact the surrounding area in the various ways of concern then SHUT THE FUCK UP. People pick apart the studies when they don’t even know 10% of what is actually going on in the process of proving that there should be no concern. Read over the report take a fucking course to make sure you know what you’re talking about then come and bitch if you like. Don’t read a report on your tractor jump off and run over to city hall to try prove that PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS that studied these various professions in school for years were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![somedude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@somedude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/somedude)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/130 "2010-03-31T14:54:08Z")
[QUOTE=;][/QUOTE] I will be there ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/131 "2010-03-31T15:09:02Z")
> [@somedude](#): > > I will be there At the meeting last Wednesday? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/132 "2010-03-31T18:12:33Z")
> [@bracketracer](#): > > At the meeting last Wednesday? :lol: I swear NYSpeed gets worse and worse with reading comprehension each day. ---
**Author:** ![GEEROME](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geerome/32/5567_2.png) [@GEEROME](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GEEROME)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/133 "2010-03-31T23:24:16Z")
[QUOTE=;][/QUOTE] awsome ---
**Author:** ![SoraNezumi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/soranezumi/32/5057_2.png) [@SoraNezumi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoraNezumi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/134 "2010-04-01T00:13:24Z")
You can count me in for the meeting last Wednesday too! … usually I’m busy during the week, but that’s only if it’s now or coming up soon. I definitely wont be busy last week. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/135 "2010-04-01T06:30:03Z")
what if i was already there… that means i would have been busy and couldnt show up again right? ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/136 "2010-04-01T06:46:01Z")
I am almost done with the time machine so that we can go back and see if we can show up again. ![http://zlsdesigns.us/WordPress/wp-content/gallery/funny-stuff/jiggawatts.jpg](http://zlsdesigns.us/WordPress/wp-content/gallery/funny-stuff/jiggawatts.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/137 "2010-04-01T19:16:16Z")
> [@bing](#): > > what if i was already there… that means i would have been busy and couldnt show up again right? It was great to meet you next week. ---
**Author:** ![Multisynclg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/multisynclg/32/5328_2.png) [@Multisynclg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Multisynclg)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/138 "2010-04-06T14:50:45Z")
[QUOTE=;][/QUOTE] +1 ---
**Author:** ![E.Roy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/e.roy/32/5073_2.png) [@E.Roy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/E.Roy)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/139 "2010-06-01T19:56:31Z")
Is there any news of progress on this? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705/140 "2010-06-01T19:58:50Z")
We had to reschedule an update meeting but from what i understand they were required to do additional tests, sound / enviro etc. etc. anecdotally, the city wants more attractions but the locals are NIMBY’s… nothing certain yet. I did also hear, and long suspected, that the Middle-Eastern funding for the Fort Erie bid dried up. That bid is further along in the approval process but won’t matter unless they find major angel investors or get teh GOV to cough up a few hundred million for such an aggressive project. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/network-exclusive-introducing-niagara-falls-world-of-motorsport/151705.md?page=8)