# New Casino **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 8, 2005, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435 "2005-12-08T06:00:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![catalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/catalyst/32/7279_2.png) [@catalyst](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/catalyst)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/61 "2005-12-08T07:48:19Z")
> [@tcm](#): > > Some parts of a research paper I wrote a few years back > > ``` > Closer to home, New York State’s first Indian-owned casino, the Turning Stone Casino Resort, opened in Verona in 1993. The casino is operated by the Oneida Nation. In the past five years, customers have spent nearly one billion dollars at the casino, but local businesses have not benefited and there have been virtually no spin-off businesses (Coin). Local taxes have actually increased as a result of the casino’s success. Using the casino’s profits, the Oneidas have bought sixteen-thousand acres of land and have opened twelve gas stations causing the local counties to lose millions of dollars in taxes that the Oneida Nation does not pay each year (Coin). > > ``` Oneidas zapped them. ---
**Author:** ![tcm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tcm/32/7365_2.png) [@tcm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tcm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/62 "2005-12-08T07:49:23Z")
thats the problem, buffalo will fuck anything up, a casino may seem like a good idea now but not in the future, it’s too late now but if anyone thinks a casino will do anything for the local economy or revitalize an area then put it on the empty land near the outer harbor, maybe the bethlehem steel site the issues needed to revitalize this areas economy are far deeper and cant be solved by putting up a seneca nation casino. some sides might benefit but other parts will lose. ---
**Author:** ![catalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/catalyst/32/7279_2.png) [@catalyst](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/catalyst)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/63 "2005-12-08T07:50:13Z")
UB should have been built down on the waterfront property. ---
**Author:** ![tcm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tcm/32/7365_2.png) [@tcm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tcm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/64 "2005-12-08T07:51:18Z")
> [@catalyst](#): > > UB should have been built down on the waterfront property. or done more around the south campus ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/65 "2005-12-08T07:51:47Z")
> [@catalyst](#): > > UB **should have** been built down on the waterfront property. > [@tcm](#): > > **it’s too late now** but if anyone thinks a casino will do anything for the local economy or revitalize an area then put it on the waterfront, maybe the bethlehem steel site These comments are of no help. Of course, this entire discussion is pointless… ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/66 "2005-12-08T07:55:32Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > These comments are of no help. > > Of course, this entire discussion is pointless… My whole point in posting this was to make fun of the people who think that anyone gives a shit about grain elevators. ---
**Author:** ![tcm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tcm/32/7365_2.png) [@tcm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tcm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/67 "2005-12-08T07:55:45Z")
it is too late, yet another thing buffalo screwed up ---
**Author:** ![Juan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a698b9/32.png) [@Juan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Juan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/68 "2005-12-08T08:01:35Z")
I really hope someone built the buffalo waterfront ---
**Author:** ![catalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/catalyst/32/7279_2.png) [@catalyst](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/catalyst)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/69 "2005-12-08T08:03:08Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > These comments are of no help. > > Of course, this entire discussion is pointless… Well obviously I don’t have a solution to the problem or I would have stated it by now. Pointless yes, but it fills part of my workday so :tup: to that. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/70 "2005-12-08T08:04:14Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > My whole point in posting this was to make fun of the people who think that anyone gives a shit about grain elevators. okay, so there _was_ a point. 🙂 my point about the lack of a point was in reference to the idea that these people might get a point across to the city’s government. There is no point because at this point there are too few people to care enough about any particular point to get it on any agendas… see my point? > [@catalyst](#): > > Well obviously I don’t have a solution to the problem or I would have stated it by now. Pointless yes, but it fills part of my workday to :tup: to that. Exxxxactly. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![catalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/catalyst/32/7279_2.png) [@catalyst](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/catalyst)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/71 "2005-12-08T08:04:48Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > My whole point in posting this was to make fun of the people who think that anyone gives a shit about grain elevators. I agree with you on this. Maybe if they are so historical to some they could move one to a museum, but otherwise tear them down and start fresh. ---
**Author:** ![skatanic28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@skatanic28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skatanic28)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/72 "2005-12-08T08:04:55Z")
this isnt concrete central at the end of smith street is it? i remember them posting signs for some historic bullshit there. ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/73 "2005-12-08T08:05:24Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > okay, so there _was_ a point. 🙂 > > my point about the lack of a point was in reference to the idea that these people might get a point across to the city’s government. There is no point because at this point there are too few people to care enough about any particular point to get it on any agendas… see my point? > > Exxxxactly. :tup: Point taken. ---
**Author:** ![MrFliGSR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mrfligsr/32/3069_2.png) [@MrFliGSR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MrFliGSR)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/74 "2005-12-08T08:11:04Z")
SO far I see people holding signs, and a bunch of others I am assuming are OFFICIALS. No ball swingin yet ---
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/75 "2005-12-08T08:17:10Z")
Knock the fowker down, there are plenty of grain elevator eye sores around. They are real useful… Casinos will help the city, it will keep regular gamblers money in the US and buffalo instead of going to Canada and the Falls to gamble. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/76 "2005-12-08T08:18:08Z")
> [@POOPRA](#): > > it will keep regular gamblers money in the US and buffalo instead of going to Canada and the Falls to gamble. DING: DING: DING: ---
**Author:** ![tcm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tcm/32/7365_2.png) [@tcm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tcm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/77 "2005-12-08T08:29:17Z")
[http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/grain/history/history.htm](http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/grain/history/history.htm) [http://www.buffalorising.com/city/archives/2005/11/ho\_oats.php](http://www.buffalorising.com/city/archives/2005/11/ho_oats.php) ---
**Author:** ![Juan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a698b9/32.png) [@Juan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Juan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/78 "2005-12-08T08:37:38Z")
I’d said demolish the Grain Elevators! is just history edit: they are ugly as fuck ---
**Author:** ![skatanic28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@skatanic28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skatanic28)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/79 "2005-12-08T08:38:17Z")
> [@tcm](#): > > [http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/grain/history/history.htm](http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/grain/history/history.htm) > > [http://www.buffalorising.com/city/archives/2005/11/ho\_oats.php](http://www.buffalorising.com/city/archives/2005/11/ho_oats.php) i had no idea there were that many of them. CC is safe for now :tup: ---
**Author:** ![tcm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tcm/32/7365_2.png) [@tcm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tcm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435/80 "2005-12-08T08:39:21Z")
knocking everything thing and somehow hoping that by taking the grain elevators down will automatically regenerate this area makes no sense. look at other cities that did the same thing [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-casino/5435.md?page=5)