# new member here asking for help with a current member RE: bad seller **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 7, 2005, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667 "2005-12-07T11:50:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/21 "2005-12-07T12:41:29Z")
> [@coolcobramatt](#): > > And according to the manufacturer Diablosport, it is 100% locked to his car. so waht is the solution? how do you unlock it… he doesn’t even have the car anymore… knowing ahead of time the part was useless (if the car is required to unlock) he may be the one furthest from the jury. but in reality… it’s 180 bucks… he should just man up and return the cash or figure out how to ‘unlock’ it… … what is entailed in the unlocking process? ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/22 "2005-12-07T12:41:46Z")
> [@Sight N Sound](#): > > but there is. There is cutty who works for the Pirates and Cutty who is an anylisyt for the steelers. 😃 there is cutty the internet warrior and there is bob. ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/23 "2005-12-07T12:42:04Z")
If you have any info on him, phone number etc… give it to me… Maybe I can find his address, I live about 10 minutes away from Baldwin ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/24 "2005-12-07T12:47:03Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > so waht is the solution? how do you unlock it… he doesn’t even have the car anymore… knowing ahead of time the part was useless (if the car is required to unlock) he may be the one furthest from the jury. > > but in reality… it’s 180 bucks… he should just man up and return the cash or figure out how to ‘unlock’ it… > > … what is entailed in the unlocking process? knowin his ability to work on cars i bet he didn’t know that it is car specific …if it actaully is. ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/25 "2005-12-07T12:47:42Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > there is cutty the internet warrior and there is bob. NEVAR ther can be only one! ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/26 "2005-12-07T12:48:06Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > so waht is the solution? how do you unlock it… he doesn’t even have the car anymore… knowing ahead of time the part was useless (if the car is required to unlock) he may be the one furthest from the jury. > > but in reality… it’s 180 bucks… he should just man up and return the cash or figure out how to ‘unlock’ it… > > … what is entailed in the unlocking process? unlocking means u hook it back up to that same car, and progam back to stock tune, then it frees up the hand held tuner, just like a hypertech i belive ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/27 "2005-12-07T12:49:21Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > so waht is the solution? how do you unlock it… he doesn’t even have the car anymore… knowing ahead of time the part was useless (if the car is required to unlock) he may be the one furthest from the jury. > > but in reality… it’s 180 bucks… he should just man up and return the cash or figure out how to ‘unlock’ it… > > … what is entailed in the unlocking process? I think that is the point. It can’t be unlocked now. also did he ever own a white cobra? I remember a blue one and a grey GT then of course the car he bounced off the wall at PRP when it was bone stock. dude is a dickbag ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/28 "2005-12-07T12:49:33Z")
:drama: welcome ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/29 "2005-12-07T12:50:04Z")
> [@00BlackSS](#): > > unlocking means u hook it back up to that same car, and progam back to stock tune, then it frees up the hand held tuner, just like a hypertech i belive so basically this guy is fucked since blue sold the mustang and can’t get back to it to put the stock tune back into it? ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/30 "2005-12-07T12:50:49Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > knowin his ability to work on cars i bet he didn’t know that it is car specific …if it actaully is. i belive they are just like the hypertechs, once u do a cars vin into it, its locked to that vin, unless you hook it back up to that car, and delete the tunes and the cars vin from the programmer, then its able to be used on another car they make them car specific, or 1 person could buy one, and go and tune everybodys car, and Predator or Hypertech would make no money ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/31 "2005-12-07T12:51:26Z")
> [@00BlackSS](#): > > unlocking means u hook it back up to that same car, and progam back to stock tune, then it frees up the hand held tuner, just like a hypertech i belive jeez what a rip off. its pointless to let a friend borrow it if u got put ur car back to stock for him to tune his to only have to put it back to give it back… ---
**Author:** ![coolcobramatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@coolcobramatt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/coolcobramatt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/32 "2005-12-07T12:51:59Z")
thanks Bravada…and to answer the two jason question its the one spelled RUBIN. The only way to “unlock” it for him to physically plug it in and download his original Ford stock tune back, which erases the memory in the tuner itself. It “marries” itself to each individual car or these people wouldnt sell as many since we all would share the thing’s computer reflashing abilities. It was smart design, but people like me buying use get stuck if the person who used it last didnt put it back to stock as the manual clearly reads. I think he just did it wrong as there are two steps, one to reflash the computer with the Ford tune, and one that ensures it’s blank and ready to use. The setting says “last tune written” and if it doesnt read “no last tune written” it’s still married to the original car. His pride tells him he did it right since he was able to run diagnostics on a “buddy’s car” but if this what truly happened, the tuner will let you read trouble codes and run simple diagnostics on a different car, you just cant use it to install any performance mod tunes. Thats where I am with this one. He has to plug it into his wrecked car, if thats what really happened as he said, and deinstall it correctly. He tried to tell me I didnt know what I was doing and how was he supposed to know I didnt mess it up when I plugged it in? Reading the above and knowing this is my 3rd predator, you guys might realize I understand the basics of how it works and most likely have been completely truthful about it being locked and he is at fault. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/33 "2005-12-07T12:52:19Z")
> [@Bravada 442](#): > > so basically this guy is fucked since blue sold the mustang and can’t get back to it to put the stock tune back into it? i belive soo, which totally sucks!!! oh ya, welcome matt, and sorry about ur misfortuane(sp) hate dealing with dickheads!!! and your cobra is sick man! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/34 "2005-12-07T12:52:51Z")
> [@Bravada 442](#): > > so basically this guy is fucked since blue sold the mustang and can’t get back to it to put the stock tune back into it? no blue is fucked because he now is out 180 bucks and has a usless programmer because there is no way in hell a jury will ever take his side. shit even small claims he would be fucked ---
**Author:** ![coolcobramatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@coolcobramatt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/coolcobramatt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/35 "2005-12-07T12:53:13Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > jeez what a rip off. its pointless to let a friend borrow it if u got put ur car back to stock for him to tune his to only have to put it back to give it back… Kinda but from a sales standpoint…they sell 10 times more since no sharing can be done. It takes maybe 10 minutes to do the whole thing, and since I had a out of town friend who wanted to try it, I let him use mine. its that easy, and I just told him keep it and I’ll buy the other one (from Jason) as I didnt need it right away. It made him happy to have one right there and not go thru searching, and I sold it to him for the same price as I bought Jason’s. I was helping a buddy and got screwed for it…shit my fingers are tired now. Just refund me Jason…I have not lied to you and have not mislead you whatsoever. Do the right thing and refund me tonight. No shit about how can you trust me to mail it back…we’re too far gone for that menial crap. You will get it back immediately but I want paypal money back before it leaves. If that isnt fair you guys tell me so. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/36 "2005-12-07T12:53:26Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > jeez what a rip off. its pointless to let a friend borrow it if u got put ur car back to stock for him to tune his to only have to put it back to give it back… ya, it lets preadator make money, and not let a group of 100 guys buy just 1 progammer and program everybodys car ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/37 "2005-12-07T12:53:47Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > I think that is the point. It can’t be unlocked now. > > also did he ever own a white cobra? I remember a blue one and a grey GT then of course the car he bounced off the wall at PRP when it was bone stock. > > dude is a dickbag white 95 i think. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/38 "2005-12-07T12:54:53Z")
> [@coolcobramatt](#): > > thanks Bravada…and to answer the two jason question its the one spelled RUBIN. > > The only way to “unlock” it for him to physically plug it in and download his original Ford stock tune back, which erases the memory in the tuner itself. It “marries” itself to each individual car or these people wouldnt sell as many since we all would share the thing’s computer reflashing abilities. It was smart design, but people like me buying use get stuck if the person who used it last didnt put it back to stock as the manual clearly reads. I think he just did it wrong as there are two steps, one to reflash the computer with the Ford tune, and one that ensures it’s blank and ready to use. The setting says “last tune written” and if it doesnt read “no last tune written” it’s still married to the original car. His pride tells him he did it right since he was able to run diagnostics on a “buddy’s car” but if this what truly happened, the tuner will let you read trouble codes and run simple diagnostics on a different car, you just cant use it to install any performance mod tunes. Thats where I am with this one. He has to plug it into his wrecked car, if thats what really happened as he said, and deinstall it correctly. He tried to tell me I didnt know what I was doing and how was he supposed to know I didnt mess it up when I plugged it in? Reading the above and knowing this is my 3rd predator, you guys might realize I understand the basics of how it works and most likely have been completely truthful about it being locked and he is at fault. he never had a wrecked car other than the one he hit the wall with at PRP at launch. he never had a white cobra either. shit he might have just stolen it from someone else ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/39 "2005-12-07T12:55:10Z")
what about for shop use? do they sell programmers that allows performance shops to tune a car without it bein specific to the car? ---
**Author:** ![DTMVENG24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DTMVENG24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DTMVENG24)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667/40 "2005-12-07T12:56:13Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > I think that is the point. It can’t be unlocked now. > > also did he ever own a white cobra? I remember a blue one and a grey GT then of course the car he bounced off the wall at PRP when it was bone stock. > > dude is a dickbag :ugh: I was wandering who that was that bounced off the wall. I was there that day. It seems like this could’ve been all avoided if blue or whatever his name is would’ve either refunded the money or figured out a way to unblock it so this new dude could use it. The simplest things turn out to be complete headache [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-member-here-asking-for-help-with-a-current-member-re-bad-seller/178667.md?page=3)