# New NHRA rules. wow do they suck. I guess I won't be running at NHRA tracks **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 26, 2005, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454 "2005-11-26T12:03:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/61 "2005-11-27T13:12:48Z")
how long does a 488hp plus honda last ??? can it survive a few years without breakage? ---
**Author:** ![SlowCivic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@SlowCivic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlowCivic)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/62 "2005-11-27T13:30:25Z")
> [@mesteño](#): > > how long does a 488hp plus honda last ??? can it survive a few years without breakage? without miss-shifts and dumb driving it can last as long as any race motor now the 600 + hp 4 cyl. dont last too long but hell thats like 300+ whp per 1 liter ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/63 "2005-11-27T13:35:21Z")
> [@SlowCivic](#): > > without miss-shifts and dumb driving it can last as long as any race motor > > now the 600 + hp 4 cyl. dont last too long but hell thats like 300+ whp per 1 liter nah dont get started on the liter to hp debate, because i dont care. I was just asking about the post i made 😃 you answered it :boink ---
**Author:** ![sonic03snake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sonic03snake](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sonic03snake)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/64 "2005-11-27T15:37:04Z")
[quote=“SlowCivic”] > [@BoostedITR41](#): > > Hell if Pittspeed dudes arnt impressed with a 10 second shitbox civic then o well … its fast to me … I like driving it to the track and home after a night of fun … im a pure street car. I consider it really cool, its just guys like Sammy who run their mouth just to get attension on here that give you guys a bad rep. You don’t see anyone with a fast import on here talking shit because they don’t have to. 🍺 ---
**Author:** ![sonic03snake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sonic03snake](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sonic03snake)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/65 "2005-11-27T15:40:33Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > and what do you consider a “big” power adder. last time I checked a T3 based turbo is not big Anything that nearly doubles your HP and makes a 14-15 second car an 11 second car is a big power adder. ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/66 "2005-11-27T15:43:02Z")
getem lou ---
**Author:** ![A468Bu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@A468Bu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A468Bu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/67 "2005-11-27T16:03:45Z")
> SlowCivic > Hell if Pittspeed dudes arnt impressed with a 10 second shitbox civic then o well Never said you have a shytbox, Those that do have shytboxes know who they are. ---
**Author:** ![A468Bu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@A468Bu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A468Bu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/68 "2005-11-27T16:17:44Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > NDRA national event qualified 8th of 12 cars in power street and I will put 100 bucks on the fact I was the only one on pump gas. > > with my times at most events last year I would have been in the top 4 but the AMS, pure tuning, and buschur evo’s showed up and ripped off low 10’s on all seasons. So you were not in the top 4 this year? Humm Looks like you need to step it up a bit now if you still wanna play a headsup racer. My guess next year you’ll be far far behind everyone else. Thats how headsup racing is. ---
**Author:** ![SlowCivic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@SlowCivic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlowCivic)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/69 "2005-11-27T16:22:01Z")
> [@A468Bu](#): > > Never said you have a shytbox, Those that do have shytboxes know who they are. hahaha no hahaha i call my car the shytbox … not saying you called it one. ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/70 "2005-11-27T16:27:04Z")
> [@Streetnstrip](#): > > I own my own shit and what I have Im happy with. U, and quik can both kiss my mother fuckin ass. I know one thing neither one of u ahve the balls to say that to my fuckin face. :blah::blah: last time i checked i do have the balls ---
**Author:** ![A468Bu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@A468Bu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A468Bu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/71 "2005-11-27T16:34:31Z")
> [@Quik](#): > > :blah::blah: last time i checked i do have the balls He keeps them in a little bag then he’s leave’s in the staging lanes, so they don’t get hurt while riding his bike down the 1/4 mile. ---
**Author:** ![vw16vcabby](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vw16vcabby/32/5943_2.png) [@vw16vcabby](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vw16vcabby)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/72 "2005-11-27T16:42:18Z")
your right, heads up racing means atleast .5 seconds quicker every year, if not more. hell, at prp, the heads up races have droped et wise dramatically each year. 3 years ago, #8 qualifier was high 12’s (in an 8 car field). now, that is the numberer 16 car going q16 w/ top 8 in 9’s to 11’s–and this is a local event. innovate or die. i been so close to being done so many times, but held off due to whats the point, car would be ripped apart in a few months anyways to make progress. i miss the days of having a fun street car that ran 12’s. but the racer in me wants to go faster. 1st time i was going to do stock motor w/ pistons-- that got changed to built bottom end as why buy slugs when a rod may let go?. if rod lets go, then i’d be stuck buying slugs again. do it once, do it right… Begining of this year, all i had to do was assemble short block, but then i got a built head for a good deal that needed new valves–like a 3k head for 700 bucks, plus another 300 in materials-- that meant no money to spend on the little shit i needed to finish… save more money… now, i got all this shit–motor is built, all components fit as everything was mocked up–just simply reinstall everything and im done. but… i got a built tranny that i know wont take the abuse, as same setups as mine are killing them within 2 race days–so save more money to go automatic (3500 more dollars). steep price, but et’s are worth it-- as 5spd are runnign low 12’s to low 11’s range and the auto guys are in the 10’s and 9’s w/ same hp levels. a blown up built tranny isn’t worth dick, so may as well sell it and recoupe my money to put toward the 3500 auto tranny… hence why im building slowly, and planning ahead, so when i come out, it hopefully runs competive but more importantly, runs consistent and dont break. difference between breaking parts because it is stock and cant take the abuse, and breaking parts because you didnt plan accordingly. I didnt mind blowing shit up when it was $50 stock parts. i got to much invested now to do that. moral of story, everyone likes to go fast. reliable, fast, and cheap is what everyone wants. but you can only have 2 of the 3. fast and cheap–can happen, but thats not fast enough… reliable and cheap–that can happen, but ur not fast. fast and reliable–can happen, but costs money. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/73 "2005-11-27T17:41:51Z")
> [@mesteño](#): > > how long does a 488hp plus honda last ??? can it survive a few years without breakage? actually around 600whp motors can last a good while. most of the higher HP turbo 4 cars run at least one whole season on a single motor if not 2. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/74 "2005-11-27T17:42:38Z")
> [@fmfkid250](#): > > i did that time w/ 262whp on bfgs, thats piss poor really u could fkn not give it any gas till the 330’ and go faster than that, she was is 26" bfg’s too i cant wait to see the times i knock off on the big guys, > > I.E. pro all motor 4 class at norwalk, I have a vid of them, they suck pretty bad, launch & shifting slow ect…and thats whats drag racing is about… > > all these import guys think it all top end racing, and they are getting there trapping going 10.00@150, it could be dun with more traction & less power that these guys are making,that dude cory from slow motion cool dude, he wasent in the 9’s (norwalk) till the finals when vince talked him into running 4psi hot in his tires…as soon as he did bam 1.6 60’ and 9.8 > > look @ vince he made 205 whp and went 11.74 his 60’s was better then any of the pro’s mid 1.5’s wait till next year when he pulls out some 300+ whp were gonna see some mid to high 10s in comp 4 because he knows how to drive… > (im bored at work rambleing on) 60ft is one thing but shifting hard is totally another. those guys baby shifts to not break parts cause they are in it for the overall points ---
**Author:** ![SlowCivic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@SlowCivic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlowCivic)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/75 "2005-11-28T03:03:51Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > 60ft is one thing but shifting hard is totally another. those guys baby shifts to not break parts cause they are in it for the overall points when was the last time a pro baby shifted ??? They have spare everything and can care less when it breaks with money backing them. And a 600whp honda motor doesnt last tooo long haha a season. Thats maybe 100-150 miles hahahahahaha most pro’s run liberty gears aka dog box configuration… so they dont break. ---
**Author:** ![German\_with\_a\_Bowtie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/german_with_a_bowtie/32/5967_2.png) [@German\_with\_a\_Bowtie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/German_with_a_Bowtie)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/76 "2005-11-28T03:13:43Z")
NHRA = Lawyers organizing a dragrace :jerkit: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/77 "2005-11-28T10:57:19Z")
> [@SlowCivic](#): > > when was the last time a pro baby shifted ??? They have spare everything and can care less when it breaks with money backing them. And a 600whp honda motor doesnt last tooo long haha a season. Thats maybe 100-150 miles hahahahahaha > > most pro’s run liberty gears aka dog box configuration… so they dont break. the all motor guys baby because they use stock trannies for the most part or slipper clutches most pro cars are air shifted. but the sportsman guys baby stuff a lot ---
**Author:** ![SlowCivic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@SlowCivic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlowCivic)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/78 "2005-11-28T11:20:20Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > the all motor guys baby because they use stock trannies for the most part or slipper clutches > > most pro cars are air shifted. but the sportsman guys baby stuff a lot I know for a fact all-motor guys dont baby shit… they cant afford to loose any rpm. Why build it to pussy shift The sportsmen all have stock trans. but they are built via gearspeed and can take a few bangs before they get sloppy. If you read up no one has a consistantly fast car that baby shifts. They can have fast cars but it dont mean shit if you dont back it up. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/79 "2005-11-28T11:24:40Z")
> [@SlowCivic](#): > > I know for a fact all-motor guys dont baby shit… they cant afford to loose any rpm. Why build it to pussy shift > > The sportsmen all have stock trans. but they are built via gearspeed and can take a few bangs before they get sloppy. If you read up no one has a consistantly fast car that baby shifts. They can have fast cars but it dont mean shit if you dont back it up. richie gibson runs low 11’s all motor and baby’s he car in comp 4. infact he broke a tranny at norwalk. dude you would be suprised. thought they all were goin to banging gears out there since it was the last race but they really weren’t ---
**Author:** ![SlowCivic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@SlowCivic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlowCivic)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454/80 "2005-11-28T11:31:54Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > richie gibson runs low 11’s all motor and baby’s he car in comp 4. infact he broke a tranny at norwalk. > > dude you would be suprised. thought they all were goin to banging gears out there since it was the last race but they really weren’t he could run 10’s if he learned to shift a little faster … all im saying is vince ran all season with quick shifts and he was consisitant as hell. Thats what wins races , slow shifting is to inconsistant to stay in the game unless your car is just that much faster that the competition. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-nhra-rules-wow-do-they-suck-i-guess-i-wont-be-running-at-nhra-tracks/178454.md?page=3)