# New Pope? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 13, 2013, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267 "2013-03-13T08:32:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/41 "2013-03-15T06:42:05Z")
> [@bing](#): > > Reuters: [**New pope urges Church to return to its Gospel roots**](http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-pope-idUSBRE92D05P20130314) > > Thank goodness for all this. I was worried for a moment they would wake up and make some progress. +1 for secularism. Im confused why people think a religion should change its core beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/42 "2013-03-15T07:19:55Z")
People say, “They could get more members if they change.” Those people really have no clue what they are talking about, this is not a club that is trying to recruit members any way possible. lol ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/43 "2013-03-15T21:50:00Z")
I’m on my phone now but when I have some time at my computer I’ll explain why you’re each wrong. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Coldaccord](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/coldaccord/32/7272_2.png) [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/44 "2013-03-15T22:29:51Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > lol Bing, religion =/= politics. Politics can progress it’s core message whenever it wants. Religion doesn’t “progress” otherwise it wouldn’t be religion. If a religion does change it’s beliefs it becomes a different religion, Protestant vs. Catholic for example. The Pope doesn’t decide what the religious beliefs Catholics will follow because those beliefs are not determined by him or any other Catholic for that matter. > > I find it hilarious that no one in the media understands this and subconsciously views everything as politics. If religion doesn’t “progress,” what was/is it considered when new areas are conquered in the name of religion? ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/45 "2013-03-15T23:03:48Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > I find it hilarious that no one in the media understands this and subconsciously views everything as politics. > [@LZ](#): > > Im confused why people think a religion should change its core beliefs? > [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > People say, “They could get more members if they change.” Those people really have no clue what they are talking about, this is not a club that is trying to recruit members any way possible. lol It’s not a club. It’s a business. If they change their stance they could gain new customers. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/46 "2013-03-17T18:58:35Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > lol Bing, religion =/= politics. Politics can progress it’s core message whenever it wants. Religion doesn’t “progress” otherwise it wouldn’t be religion. If a religion does change it’s beliefs it becomes a different religion, Protestant vs. Catholic for example. The Pope doesn’t decide what the religious beliefs Catholics will follow because those beliefs are not determined by him or any other Catholic for that matter. > [@LZ](#): > > Im confused why people think a religion should change its core beliefs? Firstly, the church regularly has to change it’s core beliefs as often as they are proven wrong. With that said, the article referred to the gospel roots of the church and is really about how the new pope will change the direction, not belief, of the church; so i don’t know where you guys were going with your comments. > [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > People say, “They could get more members if they change.” Those people really have no clue what they are talking about, this is not a club that is trying to recruit members any way possible. lol you were being sarcastic right? because one of the core issues facing the church is the rise in secularism and the rate at which people are fleeing the church in favour of ‘modern temptations’;to quote the article. My post was a barb at how the initial direction of the new pope, though noble, will not address the core challenges facing the church. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/47 "2013-03-17T20:40:27Z")
I’m not here to defend religion, but I find so many people are against something that they can’t properly define let alone understand. In much the same way as a homophobic person is homophobic even though they’ve never know a gay person or been gay themselves. > [@bing](#): > > i don’t know where you guys were going with your comments. I was addressing your comments about the church progressing, not the content of the article at all: > [@bing](#): > > Thank goodness for all this. I was worried for a moment they would wake up and make some progress. +1 for secularism. I took from this that you (along with many others) were somehow expecting this pope to moderate the churches stance on something like gay marriage or abortion, which I pointed out was contrary to how a religion functions since these are core issues and therefore a silly thing to expect. But then again if you were being sarcastic, it would imply that you knew this was a silly thing to expect. In that case we’re on the same page, lol. > [@bing](#): > > the church regularly has to change it’s core beliefs as often as they are proven wrong. For example… ? And don’t cite flat-earth vs. round earth, the age of the planet, etc. because these are not core beliefs. 🙂 A core belief is something that if it were changed, it would cause a whole new religion to have to be formed. Like knocking out legs on a chair or pillars of a structure; the whole thing wouldn’t stand and need to be defined as something else or held up some other way. Jesus was a robot, etc. I think you might be confusing denominations or lumping all of Christianity into one religion, but I could be wrong. Let me try to explain (I’m tired, lol); a) When a bunch of Catholics got together and decided they could talk directly to God, they were no longer Catholics. They became Protestants. b) When a bunch of Protestants got together and decided they didn’t agree with slavery, they were no longer Protestants. They became Wesleyans. In example a) the Catholic church had a core stance that a group didn’t agree with. In Example b) the church did NOT have a stance but a group felt it should be a core issue. At some point a bunch of Catholics will get together and decided marriage between 2 dudes is cool, or life doesn’t start at conception but at the moment of birth. At that point they will no longer be Catholics but they’ll be \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_. (to be named after the person who breaks away from the church most likely.) Why hasn’t this happened yet if so many Catholics are cool with gay marriage and abortions? Don’t ask me, ask a Catholic, lol. > [@Coldaccord](#): > > If religion doesn’t “progress,” what was/is it considered when new areas are conquered in the name of religion? We’re not talking about geographical expansion of a religion (for whatever reason) we’re talking about changing that religion’s core beliefs. > [@Carnut](#): > > It’s not a club. It’s a business. If they change their stance they could gain new customers. Politics gains new “customers” that way not a religion. If, as I’ve described above, a member of a religion no longer believes that religion is correct then a new religion is formed. Politics allows for multiple core issues to be contrary with one another, I’m sure we can all cite examples. Sure they make money, no doubt there. Almost $200 BILLION in the US or something? But a 2000 year old religion with 1.6 BILLION followers (who provide 50% of the care industry in the US, and where about 50% of their money goes BTW) doesn’t need to gain new customers. There will be puffs of white smoke coming from that chimney in Rome long after we’re dead, our kids are dead, and their kids are dead… … unless Robot Jesus returns first… ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/48 "2013-03-17T21:17:45Z")
This whole thread is funny lol. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/49 "2013-03-17T21:39:52Z")
josh, that was a great post. i am disarmed. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/50 "2013-03-18T04:21:55Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > \ Bravo. As the great George Carlin said: > [@George Carlin](#): > > Not every ejaculation deserves a name. > Now, speaking of consistency, Catholics, which I was until I reached the age of reason, Catholics and other Christians are against abortions, and they’re against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals?! ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/51 "2013-03-18T07:29:20Z")
So I was watching “The Bible” last night and the Devil made an appearance, it just so happens he looks like the Anti-Christ himself BHO. > **[What the devil? Obama look-alike cast as Satan in American TV show The](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/what-the-devil-obama-look-alike-cast-as-satan-in-american-tv-show-the-bible-8538656.html)** > > His right-wing critics were probably nodding sagely in approval – but Barack Obama may have reason to feel aggrieved after hit American mini-series The Bible cast an actor with a striking resemblance to the US President in a key role – Satan. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/52 "2013-03-18T07:57:06Z")
Barack’s career must really be taking off. ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/53 "2013-03-18T08:47:00Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Ib4 the word evolution Curious what you mean by this. There’s no real conflict with the Catholic faith and Theory of Evolution. Creationism isn’t supported by the Church. That’s a fundamentalist christian thing. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/54 "2013-03-18T09:13:14Z")
^It depends on who you ask. Some believe God created everything and that was it. Others Believe God created everything and evolution took over from there. Others believe God is a crock of shit and Science did all the work. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/55 "2013-03-18T09:20:02Z")
I don’t think anybody believe science is a thing that did something, but rather a mechanism that explains why things happened. Who knows, maybe one day since will show god exists? ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/56 "2013-03-18T09:44:11Z")
_cue higgs boson tweets_ ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267/57 "2013-03-18T11:05:18Z")
> [@ProgRocker](#): > > ^It depends on who you ask. Some believe God created everything and that was it. Others Believe God created everything and evolution took over from there. Others believe God is a crock of shit and Science did all the work. I’m not talking about individual beliefs. I’m talking about the position of the Catholic Church, and it doesn’t endorse creationism. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pope/229267.md?page=2)