# New Toy

**URL:** <https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-toy/203251>\
**Category:** Builds\
**Created:** [July 22, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-toy/203251 "2009-07-22T22:37:53Z")\
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**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-toy/203251/80 "2009-09-15T14:24:43Z")

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> [@What is a good first car??????](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-is-a-good-first-car/41068/54):
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> quik ur truck made how much power & u only ran a 12 sec pass :rolleyes:
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> quik JR:blah:

dont even speak tape recorder. and 12.1 at 121 on 13psi with a 2.4 60’ isnt to shabby for 2nd attempt weighing in close to 4700 race weight and my truck wasnt built by GM.

what have you ever done besides get all highed the fuck up and wreck into a telephonepole mulitiple times?

> [@Wedding DJ](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wedding-dj/41105/3):
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> well lets see…
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> 99% of that extra weight is rotating mass from the wheels since the new camaro needs bling and you can’t get it with a lighter 16" wheel.
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> the tires are a ridiculous 28.7" tall compared to the 4th gen’s 25.7"
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> and then let’s factor in the new camaro’s drivetrain. Yes the motor has about 100 more hp/tq than the good ole LS1, but compare what both cars are typically dyno’ing at. All that new/heavy drivetrain and IRS soaks up a lot of HP, and the end result is there being only a ~50-60 hp difference between the two. So you basically have an extra 50-60 rwhp to make up for that 300 lbs, not 100.
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> Don’t even get me started on the stupid IRS crap
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> There’s a guy on ls1tech that is setting all the 2010 camaro records, and when he was headers/tune only, he was trapping about 112 mph @ a 2000 DA(seems about on par with BoostedYards86’s). I think he has now ended up running like 11.8 @ 116 with bolt ons, tune, and using 18’s af full (3800 #) weight.
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> So there are your reasons why the new camaro is blowing the doors off of the 4th gen f-bodies.
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> /ricer math  
> /bench racing

exactly the engineers ruined this car. it has always been a straight line performer. IRS is for corning but since yuppies wanted a car that rode smooth they used a IRS. FIgured the car with its new price tag would go after another kind of crowd. as for wheel size that goes right there with trying to keep up with the Jones. Fact is still with the LS3 or L99 it doesnt live up to the name. the New t56 it runs isnt as strong as they claim either.

i like the car’s looks but the driveline isnt ideal for straightline performance and is talked down my plenty of ppl.

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