# New York needs to raise taxes
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [August 8, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933 "2008-08-08T06:14:51Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/121 "2008-08-11T12:00:54Z")
^ Got me, but if NY is spending more than NY and CA combined there must be a lot of people out there who can explain how to get on the NY teat.
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### Author:  [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/122 "2008-08-11T12:07:11Z")
> [@slowtalon](#):
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> i just applyed for medicaid last week after trying to pay my medical bills out of pocket for 2 years and its damn near impossible to comply with what they want. i got denied for ss disability because the NYS doctors said i can ocasionally lift 10lbs. Now i had an amazing medical plan a $50k a year job 3 pensions, but because i was t-boned by some bitch running a redlight at 60mph i ruptured 6 disks in my back and could no longer work, now Geico’s policy of deny deny deny make them sue i lost my no fault medical coverage because i had to goto surgeons, dr.s, rehab, pain management about every other day. Now my lawsuit is gonna fall through because i can no longer afford to see the Drs because my savings are spent and i need medicaid but i cant get medicaid without seeing doctors that i gotta pay for.
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> Do you mind telling me the easy way to get the government to pay for shit? since you are so enligtened to how social service programs work.
PM me.
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### Author:  [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/123 "2008-08-11T12:14:11Z")
:gay:
> [@slowtalon](#):
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> i just applyed for medicaid last week after trying to pay my medical bills out of pocket for 2 years and its damn near impossible to comply with what they want. i got denied for ss disability because the NYS doctors said i can ocasionally lift 10lbs. Now i had an amazing medical plan a $50k a year job 3 pensions, but because i was t-boned by some bitch running a redlight at 60mph i ruptured 6 disks in my back and could no longer work, now Geico’s policy of deny deny deny make them sue i lost my no fault medical coverage because i had to goto surgeons, dr.s, rehab, pain management about every other day. Now my lawsuit is gonna fall through because i can no longer afford to see the Drs because my savings are spent and i need medicaid but i cant get medicaid without seeing doctors that i gotta pay for.
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> Do you mind telling me the easy way to get the government to pay for shit? since you are so enligtened to how social service programs work.
So in short, you didn’t get money from the government, and now you think that we should expand said program. The other 47 states in the union do just fine without all these social programs. We are so used to sucking off the fat tit of the state, that we don’t know how to get off of it.
I feel bad for you I really do. And I believe the the programs were at one time intended for people like you, that fall on hard times. But they are better suited now to those that are career low lifes. I mean come on, only in NYS can you cut lawns all summer, then ride unemployment every single winter while you plow driveways on the side.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/124 "2008-08-11T12:17:12Z")
Here’s a great site I found to see just how big NY’s medicaid problem is.
> **[State Health Facts](https://www.kff.org/statedata/)**
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> State Health Facts provides free, up-to-date, health data for all 50 states, the District of Columbia, the United States, counties, territories, and other geographies. State Health Facts provides u…
Looks like my quote of us spending more than TX and CA combined is a little off. We spend about the same as TX and CA combined.
> **[State Health Facts](https://www.kff.org/statedata/?state=CA)**
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> State Health Facts provides free, up-to-date, health data for all 50 states, the District of Columbia, the United States, counties, territories, and other geographies. State Health Facts provides u…
For NY’s 19 million people it spent 44.7 billion dollars on medicaid.
For CA’s 36 million people it spent 34.2 billion dollars on medicaid.
NY spent $2352.63 for every single person in the state.
CA spent $950 for every single person in the state.
When you see numbers like this I simply can’t understand why we aren’t burning Albany to the ground. Where is the outrage? It simply isn’t there. Hell, you have people like slowtalon who think the state should spend more.
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### Author:  [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/125 "2008-08-11T12:19:30Z")
> [@slowtalon](#):
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> i
1800JOESDAD
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/126 "2008-08-11T12:20:13Z")
I call Pitchfork.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/127 "2008-08-11T12:22:40Z")
Jay this deserves another post in case someone missed it…
Medicaid
NY spent $2352.63 for every single person in the state.
CA spent $950 for every single person in the state.
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### Author:  [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/128 "2008-08-11T12:24:46Z")
Even the facts clear as day. People can’t and won’t see the problem.
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/129 "2008-08-11T12:30:41Z")
Looks like the problem is not how many people we cover, but how much we spend per person, once they are eligible. Our medicaid program is actually a little harder to get into, then they pay for damn near everything.
Here is NY on the left and CA on the right
Total Enrollment, FY2005 26 29 % of total residents
Children 41.3 40.9 % of Medicaid enrollees
Adults 35.4 41.5 % of Medicaid enrollees
Elderly 10.6 8.7 % of Medicaid enrollees
Disabled 12.7 8.8 % of Medicaid enrollees
% Enrolled in Managed Care, 2006 - - 61.0 50.0 % of Medicaid enrollees
**Per Enrollee** Medicaid Spending, FY2005
Total $7,733 $2,701
Children $2,000 $1,142
Adults $3,509 $813
Elderly $21,223 $8,750
Disabled $25,945 $12,265
Not to mention it looks like we spend a rediculous amount on elderly and disabled people.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/130 "2008-08-11T12:31:13Z")
Maybe if more people talked about it! :mamoru:
:io:
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/131 "2008-08-11T12:36:46Z")
> **[NY state Gov: cut healthcare as deficit could grow](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newyorkstate-budget/ny-state-gov-cut-healthcare-as-deficit-could-grow-idUSN1136815520080811)**
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> New York Governor David Paterson on Monday offered the state legislature a bigger $1 billion menu of budget cuts, saying he fears revenue forecasts will have worsened by the next update in September.
Looks like Paterson wants to cut Medicaid funding during the special session so apparently he’s looking at teh same stuff we are.
Well, hes not looking at anything, but you get the picture.
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### Author:  [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/132 "2008-08-11T12:36:48Z")
> [@Joe](#):
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> Not to mention it looks like we spend a rediculous amount on elderly and disabled people.
gee how suprising that we spend more on people who need the most care :uhh:
Maybe the fact that CA has much higher health standards has something to do with the lower costs per person…hrmmm…healthly lifestyles effecting health care costs…
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### Author:  [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/133 "2008-08-11T12:38:11Z")
Look at the percentage of children. That tells you something, not that there is a pile of sick children in this state. That there is alot of “poor” famlies that are enrolled in the system.
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### Author:  [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/134 "2008-08-11T12:38:51Z")
> [@n20junkie](#):
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> Look at the percentage of children. That tells you something, not that there is a pile of sick children in this state. That there is alot of “poor” famlies that are enrolled in the system.
Please explain what “poor” means in that statement
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/135 "2008-08-11T12:49:42Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#):
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> gee how suprising that we spend more on people who need the most care :uhh:
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> Maybe the fact that CA has much higher health standards has something to do with the lower costs per person…hrmmm…healthly lifestyles effecting health care costs…
:lol:
How about you back that up. Find a state that spends more per person than NY using that site. There are some really unhealthy states in the south.
And other Joe, yeah, Patterson is looking at it. It won’t matter though because Silver has already said health cuts are off the table. What Silver says is as good as law in our dysfunctional government. He has **FAR** more power than the governor yet is elected by a single district in the state.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/136 "2008-08-11T13:18:23Z")
California is one of the fattest states last time I checked.
just sayin
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### Author:  [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/137 "2008-08-11T13:22:15Z")
So… Basically we’re all screwed if we stay in NY due to NYS taxes; and we’re REALLY fubar’d because of the Federal Government spending…
So no matter how we look at it; we’re all in for an ass-raping of some sort in the next 10 years by some form of government and taxes…
Ok… Time to head somewhere else… Europe is sure looking better and better…
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### Author:  [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/138 "2008-08-11T13:23:59Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> :lol:
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> How about you back that up. Find a state that spends more per person than NY using that site. There are some really unhealthy states in the south.
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> And other Joe, yeah, Patterson is looking at it. It won’t matter though because Silver has already said health cuts are off the table. What Silver says is as good as law in our dysfunctional government. He has **FAR** more power than the governor yet is elected by a single district in the state.
If Paterson is in favor and the Senate is in favor, they’ll work out something to hammer it through. If he keeps being seen as the obstruction, a la Joe Bruno for so many years, for long enough, eventually people will start to be pissed.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/139 "2008-08-11T13:24:50Z")
You don’t have to go that far.
Nevada is much closer and has more freedom.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/140 "2008-08-11T13:27:05Z")
> [@Joe](#):
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> If Paterson is in favor and the Senate is in favor, they’ll work out something to hammer it through. If he keeps being seen as the obstruction, a la Joe Bruno for so many years, for long enough, eventually people will start to be pissed.
You have a lot more faith in NY politics than I do. Silver is strong with his small base who keep re-electing him, so he can vote anyway he wants. Bruno didn’t leave because he was unpopular; he left because he was under investigation. As long as Silver stays legal he can continue to do what ever he wants with his stranglehold on the Assembly.
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