# New York Post chimpanzee cartoon **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295 "2009-02-19T07:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/61 "2009-02-19T10:38:16Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I’m more offended by the fact that it’s not funny than that it’s racist. > > and yeah, it’s over the line a little… if it was over the line to make a point then that’s fine, but this was just stupid and not funny. +1000000000000 ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/62 "2009-02-19T10:42:27Z")
I love how blindly PC some people are on here… Great article > **[Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/18/holder.race.relations/index.html?iref=newssearch)** > > In a blunt assessment of race relations in the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder Wednesday called the American people "essentially a nation of cowards" in failing to openly discuss the issue of race. > [@](#): > > **WASHINGTON (CNN)** – In a blunt assessment of race relations in the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder Wednesday called the American people “essentially a nation of cowards” in failing to openly discuss the issue of race. > Eric Holder spoke to an overflowing crowd for Black History Month at the Justice Department Wednesday. > > ``` > In his first major speech since being confirmed, the nation's first black attorney general told an overflow crowd celebrating Black History Month at the Justice Department the nation remains "voluntarily socially segregated." > > ``` > > “Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards,” Holder declared. > Holder urged Americans of all races to use Black History Month as a time to have a forthright national conversation between blacks and whites to discuss aspects of race which are ignored because they are uncomfortable. > The attorney general said employees across the country “have done a pretty good job in melding the races in the workplace,” but he noted that “certain subjects are off limits and that to explore them risks at best embarrassment and at worst the questioning of one’s character.” > “On Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not, in some ways, differ significantly from the country that existed some 50 years ago. This is truly sad,” Holder said. > Following his address, [Holder](http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Eric_Holder) declined to say whether his unexpectedly stern message would be translated into policy. > > ``` > "It's a question of being honest with ourselves and [racial](http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Racism_and_Bigotry) issues that divide us," Holder told reporters in a hastily arranged news conference. "It's not easy to talk about it. We have to have the guts to be honest with each other, accept criticism, accept new proposals." > The nation's top law enforcement official vowed to "revitalize the [Civil Rights Division](http://topics.cnn.com/topics/DOJ_Civil_Rights_Division)" at the [Justice Department](http://topics.cnn.com/topics/U_S_Department_of_Justice) but offered no specifics. > > ``` > > In a reference to the highly divisive issue of affirmative action, Holder said there can be “very legitimate debate about the question of affirmative action. This debate can and should be nuanced, principled and spirited.” > The attorney general criticized past public debates on the issue as “too often simplistic and left to those on the extremes who are not hesitant to use these issues to advance nothing more than their own narrow self-interest.” > [President Barack Obama](http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Barack_Obama) has not yet nominated an assistant attorney general to head the Civil Rights Division, which is charged with enforcing the nation’s civil rights laws and which helps fashion race-related policy. > ![http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/content/ads/advertisement.gif](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/2/b/2bcb9719fc019fdb7b0a1146799a353df993bf75.gif) > > Allegations of politically motivated hiring in the division and increased emphasis on combating religious discrimination and human trafficking – rather than concentration on traditional civil rights enforcement – during the Bush administration caused some dissent in the department. > Holder has promised to bring order to the Civil Rights Division. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/63 "2009-02-19T10:49:10Z")
If you’d read that article (I did earlier), you’d realize he’s talking about commenting on de facto differences in racial achievement, not about stupid jokes. It’s not blindly PC to think that someone would have to be completely inept to let a racially-tinged article get published, even with no ill-will. It’s honest. As for getting offended, I’m not offended by this. I think that the Post Editor and Cartoonist should be fired - not for being racists, but for being complete failures at their jobs. (E: Unless you didn’t mean me by “some people.” Al Sharpton is one of those people who Atty. General Holder could be talking about, in this case.) ---
**Author:** ![BillysRevenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@BillysRevenge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BillysRevenge)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/64 "2009-02-19T10:52:15Z")
Al Sharpton feels the need to open his mouth every time a black person so much as coughs. Racial profiling this, racial profiling that. Who the fuck is this guy anyway? ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/65 "2009-02-19T10:53:27Z")
^ He’s trying to tell people to lighten up, pull their heads out of their asses and talk about all racial issues openly without fear of “offending” someone. Without doing that this country will never advance past the current (and past) racial stereotypes, etc that we’re dealing with. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/66 "2009-02-19T10:56:01Z")
> [@mike125k](#): > > ^ He’s trying to tell people to lighten up, pull their heads out of their asses and talk about all racial issues openly without fear of “offending” someone. Without doing that this country will never advance past the current (and past) racial stereotypes, etc that we’re dealing with. I think you meant that to me, not to the guy actually above your post. He’s talking about practical stuff, not saying “ya’ll minorities shouldn’t be offended by racist jokes, lighten up!” Big difference. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/67 "2009-02-19T11:08:52Z")
> [@Moruitelda](#): > > I think you meant that to me, not to the guy actually above your post. > > He’s talking about practical stuff, not saying “ya’ll minorities shouldn’t be offended by racist jokes, lighten up!” Big difference. Yes I did. And yes, this wasn’t directly about the cartoon, but more so how America needs to get over itself if it ever wants to advance and try to reduce racism (you’ll never end it, I think everyone realizes that). This cartoon was just a good segway. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/68 "2009-02-19T11:16:04Z")
…bunch of fucking oversensitive race card pulling ambulance chasers. Anyone with half a brain won’t be offended by that, as the fucking president doesn’t write bills! That’s a damn funny cartoon. Using a ridiculous current event to criticise another. That’s God damned witty! Fucking people getting all pissed off because of a political joke that involved a monkey, and we have a black president. Fucking lighten up. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![BillysRevenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@BillysRevenge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BillysRevenge)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/69 "2009-02-19T11:19:39Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > …bunch of fucking oversensitive race card pulling ambulance chasers. Anyone with half a brain won’t be offended by that, as the fucking president doesn’t write bills! That’s a damn funny cartoon. Using a ridiculous current event to criticise another. That’s God damned witty! Fucking people getting all pissed off because of a political joke that involved a monkey, and we have a halfrican president. Fucking lighten up. Fuck. 👏 ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/70 "2009-02-19T11:29:13Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > the fucking president doesn’t write bills! Point of order: you’re so wrong. Members of Congress alone may PRESENT, AMEND, and PASS bills. But anyone may write a bill, people other than members of Congress FREQUENTLY do (and then pass them to their representatives). There are numerous cases where Presidents have written bills in our history, and while Obama did not put together the text on this bill, he pushed strongly for it, and it’s been the pet project of his first 100 Days. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/71 "2009-02-19T11:36:33Z")
I had to watch Obama talk for an hour about this fucking bill on every TV station last week so he is getting the blame for writing it in my eyes. PS: Your post is twice as funny as you have a “The black man is keeping me down” avatar. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/72 "2009-02-19T11:40:28Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > PS: Your post is twice as funny as you have a “The black man is keeping me down” avatar. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/73 "2009-02-19T11:45:05Z")
Also: It’s completely absurd to imply that Sean Delonas, the cartoonist in question, may have been making a racially-motivated statement. [Oh, wait… no.](http://gawker.com/5155855/ten-masterpieces-from-sean-delonas) His history makes me think that he might have been aware of this undertone. I still believe it was probably an oversight, but after looking at some of the rather controversial cartoons in his past, I wouldn’t put it past him. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/74 "2009-02-19T12:02:21Z")
Obama is like 87% white and Bush is white, maybe white people should be offended because both white(mostly) guys have been compared to Chimps. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/75 "2009-02-19T12:10:11Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Obama is like 87% white and Bush is white, maybe white people should be offended because both white(mostly) guys have been compared to Chimps. WOW…How do figure that one? ---
**Author:** ![Afrank45](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/afrank45/32/5021_2.png) [@Afrank45](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Afrank45)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/76 "2009-02-19T12:16:15Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Obama is like 87% white and Bush is white, maybe white people should be offended because both white(mostly) guys have been compared to Chimps. you know whats racist saying shit like that ohh hes only this % black so hes not really black or fry calling him a halfrican, or the black messiah or balack jesus. that shit is offensive whether or not you guys care, or wanna believe it, it is. stop with the excuses stop with the he didnt mean it blah blah blah. old racist white men have been calling blacks “monkeys” since before any of us were born it is offensive the cartoon is in bad taste, does he have the right to say it? he sure does, but dont get all fucking uppity because people dont find it funny. this cartoon was about pushing the line stirring people just like this, we all know whats right and whats wrong, this isnt racist its just bad taste but it sells papers which is the ultimate goal. Im sick of this shit where a bunch of middle aged white guys says this isnt racist, this isnt oppresion when most of you wouldnt know real racism if it bit you in the ass. its amazing that our mods have stickies saying racism is a no no yet they cant even pick up on the subtle racism all the fucking time on here. In fact one of them comes in here and says oh its a joke and some how calls people like me race card pulling ambulance chasers. So either racism is allowed on this forum or it isnt becuase im tired of seeing “oh yea i thought it was funny because of the racial undertones” or “id tell the banana pussies to go cry” and nothing ever gets done about that shit. So now im asking all the mods is racism accepted or is it not??? ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/77 "2009-02-19T12:17:09Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Obama is like 87% white and Bush is white, maybe white people should be offended because both white(mostly) guys have been compared to Chimps. Please, pay attention. This is the third time I’ve typed this. The problem is that this comparison to apes was a large part of the dehumanization of blacks which was used to justify slavery and Jim Crow society in the post-Reconstruction South. That’s why it’s much more offensive when it’s pointed at blacks than at whites. Obama may be half white, but he’s being treated socially and in most Americans’ minds as “black.” Hence the first black President. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/78 "2009-02-19T12:18:02Z")
ughhhhh :picard: racial BS :picard: Al sharpton :picard: this thread :picard: Fry’s statement :tup: FREEE FUCKING SPEECH :bigclap: ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/79 "2009-02-19T12:18:24Z")
> [@Afrank45](#): > > this isnt racist its just bad taste but it sells papers which is the ultimate goal. > > So either racism is allowed on this forum or it isnt becuase im tired of seeing “oh yea i thought it was funny because of the racial undertones” or “id tell the banana pussies to go cry” and nothing ever gets done about that shit. > > So now im asking all the mods is racism accepted or is it not??? +1 on all these counts. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295/80 "2009-02-19T12:29:05Z")
> [@Afrank45](#): > > you know whats racist saying shit like that ohh hes only this % black so hes not really black or fry calling him a halfrican, or the black messiah or balack jesus. that shit is offensive whether or not you guys care, or wanna believe it, it is. > > stop with the excuses stop with the he didnt mean it blah blah blah. old racist white men have been calling blacks “monkeys” since before any of us were born it is offensive the cartoon is in bad taste, does he have the right to say it? he sure does, but dont get all fucking uppity because people dont find it funny. this cartoon was about pushing the line stirring people just like this, we all know whats right and whats wrong, this isnt racist its just bad taste but it sells papers which is the ultimate goal. > > Im sick of this shit where a bunch of middle aged white guys says this isnt racist, this isnt oppresion when most of you wouldnt know real racism if it bit you in the ass. its amazing that our mods have stickies saying racism is a no no yet they cant even pick up on the subtle racism all the fucking time on here. In fact one of them comes in here and says oh its a joke and some how calls people like me race card pulling ambulance chasers. > > So either racism is allowed on this forum or it isnt becuase im tired of seeing “oh yea i thought it was funny because of the racial undertones” or “id tell the banana pussies to go cry” and nothing ever gets done about that shit. > > So now im asking all the mods is racism accepted or is it not??? No racism is not accepted. I shouldn’t have made my “halfrican” comment. I admit that was in poor taste, and hypocritical given that I have tried to work against racism on here. I apologize for that and will remove it when I am done posting this. But come fucking on. Monkeys are hilarious. Do we really have to stop finding humor in monkeys because we have a black president and “monkey” has a second meaning of a racial slur? As moruitelda clarified for me, President Obama did not write this bill. Just because you find racism in that cartoon why do we all have to? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-post-chimpanzee-cartoon/63295.md?page=5)