# New Yorkers leaving at alarming rate **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [October 28, 2009, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433 "2009-10-28T08:49:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/21 "2009-10-28T10:38:23Z")
> Florida and New Jersey were the most popular destinations for people moving out of New York. Florida gained 312,140 former New York residents, who had an estimated $9.2 billion of adjusted gross income. > > Other states attracting the most New Yorkers were Connecticut, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Hmm thats funny…those are all blue states in the last election. Yes taxes play a role, but there’s more than that. Downstate is ridiculously expensive to live in. Upstate is super poor and there is a shortage of decent paying jobs. Not to mention the weather is atrocious. Old people simply don’t want to deal with that. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/22 "2009-10-28T10:38:50Z")
> [@glitch](#): > > My employer just left out of state because of taxes too, lost my job a couple weeks ago. I’m seriously considering checking out SC soon before the snow starts here, gotta make sure my car is in tip-top shape for the 12 hour drive. Unless I find another job that won’t start me for under 12 bucks an hour which is doubtful. 🤣 Really, l-fucking-l oh l. Every political post you make is pro-left, and pro-left NY just fucked you. In my best Nelson voice, HA-HA. You know what NY’s biggest cost item is? Medicaid. It’s 40% of our budget. You know who stops us from cutting Medicaid every year, despite NY paying as much as than the next two highest cost Medicaid states combined? Sheldon Silver and his democrat controlled Assembly. From one of the other political threads: > [@New York needs to raise taxes](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-york-needs-to-raise-taxes/52933/124): > > Here’s a great site I found to see just how big NY’s medicaid problem is. > > [http://www.statehealthfacts.org](http://www.statehealthfacts.org/) > > Looks like my quote of us spending more than TX and CA combined is a little off. We spend about the same as TX and CA combined. > > [http://www.statehealthfacts.org/mfs.jsp?rgn=34&rgn=6&x=10&y=11](http://www.statehealthfacts.org/mfs.jsp?rgn=34&rgn=6&x=10&y=11) > > For NY’s 19 million people it spent 44.7 billion dollars on medicaid. > For CA’s 36 million people it spent 34.2 billion dollars on medicaid. > > NY spent $2352.63 for every single person in the state. > CA spent $950 for every single person in the state. > > When you see numbers like this I simply can’t understand why we aren’t burning Albany to the ground. Where is the outrage? It simply isn’t there. Hell, you have people like slowtalon who think the state should spend more. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/23 "2009-10-28T10:43:21Z")
> [@glitch"](#): > > **New Yorkers Leaving At An Alarming Rate** > > NEW YORK (WIVB) - Taxes and fees may be driving New Yorkers out of the state at an alarming rate. > > The Empire Center for New York State Policy said about 8% of the state’s population left between 2000 and 2008. > > The center said **it’s the biggest out of state migration in the U.S.** and those who are staying in New York State are making 13% less than those who left. > > [http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/new\_york/New\_Yorkers\_leaving\_at\_alarming\_rate\_20091027](http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/new_york/New_Yorkers_leaving_at_alarming_rate_20091027) > > :feck: Boom! I’m loving no state income tax!! Haha suckers. ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/24 "2009-10-28T10:45:39Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > And where are they leaving to? Oh yeah, red states like GA, NC, SC, FL and TX. > > Keep voting Democrat NY. Soon they only employer in the state will be the government. GA here, along with about 5 other people I know from Buffalo are down here. and glitch, SC is high unemployment right now, look into NC! ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/25 "2009-10-28T10:49:23Z")
I think everyone can agree that NY’s Medicaid system is fucked and needs a massive overhaul. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/26 "2009-10-28T10:51:55Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I think everyone can agree that NY is fucked and needs a massive overhaul. Boom! ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/27 "2009-10-28T10:52:43Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I think everyone can agree that NY’s Medicaid system is fucked and needs a massive overhaul. Then why are you still voting Dem in NY? Putting all the national stuff aside, why are you voting Dem in NY? Because as long as Sheldon Silver is speaker in the Assembly NY Medicaid will NEVER change. He has flat out said any cuts in that area are off the table. And since we can’t vote against him the only way he’s getting removed is to have a Republican controlled Assembly so he could no longer be the speaker. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/28 "2009-10-28T11:03:34Z")
My Assemblyman is Jim Hayes, a Republican. I’d consider voting for him. I do hate Silver. ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/29 "2009-10-28T11:13:48Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I think everyone can agree that NY is fucked and needs a massive overhaul. Fixed ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/30 "2009-10-28T11:24:26Z")
Well can I ask (to keep my learning adventures up this week) what is the incentive at this point for any working person, entrepreneur or business, to stay here lol? If I stay it will be solely because either a) Im licensed in NY. b)family reasons or c) there is a massive change soon. And this kills me because geographically and culturally, I really do LOVE Western New York Surely Albany cant expect everyone here who is about to graduate from the SUNY system to feel as compassionate as I do, so what do they expect is going to happen? I see this number just growing more and more. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/31 "2009-10-28T11:27:04Z")
I’m always convinced that people answer these threads by gut instinct so I tried to find out how individuals do with taxes in NY. It’s nowhere as bad as people make it out to be. an interesting article: > **[Where Americans Are Taxed Most](https://www.forbes.com/2009/03/30/highest-state-taxes-lifestyle-real-estate-state-taxes.html)** > > Ten states in which wallets are hit hardest. we’re #6 for high personal taxes, not that bad really. > ``` > 6. New York > > ``` > ``` > Population: 19.4 million > > ``` > ``` > Average tax burden per person: $3,019 > > ``` > ``` > Keep in mind that these numbers cover 2008's tax receipts. Why does that matter? Because with Wall Street crashing and burning since the 2007-2008 tax year, it's impossible to imagine New York State getting $36.5 billion (or $1,876 per person) in individual income tax. It's no wonder Gov. David Patterson has floated proposals to tax such trivial things as soda and candy bars--the state really needs the money. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/32 "2009-10-28T11:29:24Z")
MOBOOST, there are a few reasons why people stay 1. friends and family 2. comfort level 3. nyc is actually pretty awesome, some find that it’s worth dealing with the bs ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/33 "2009-10-28T11:32:04Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > MOBOOST, there are a few reasons why people stay > > 1. friends and family > 2. comfort level > 3. nyc is actually pretty awesome, some find that it’s worth dealing with the bs Haha and the point I was making is thats pathetic if thats whats keeping people here. Sadly, like I said, I may be that pathetic person some day but im really gonna try to avoid that. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/34 "2009-10-28T11:36:08Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I’m always convinced that people answer these threads by gut instinct so I tried to find out how individuals do with taxes in NY. It’s nowhere as bad as people make it out to be. > > an interesting article: > [Where Americans Are Taxed Most](http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/30/highest-state-taxes-lifestyle-real-estate-state-taxes.html) > > we’re #6 for high personal taxes, not that bad really. Quite the optimist (or ignoramus) we have here. You do realize there are 50 states right? 6th worse out of 50 is bad no matter how you cut it. And that’s just individual tax burden. NY is even worse for businesses so they leave and as an individual you’re stuck with high taxes and less jobs. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/35 "2009-10-28T11:37:59Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Haha and the point I was making is thats pathetic if thats whats keeping people here. Sadly, like I said, I may be that pathetic person some day but im really gonna try to avoid that. yeah, I never really understood it also, you should realize that a lot of people have a MUCH different idea of what other places are like. One of my buddies from home keeps asking me if there is anything to do where I live, if it is super rural, how much of a redneck place is it, etc… It’s really fucking ignorant. He thinks that LI/NYC is the end-all be-all location. However, he has NEVER explored anywhere. He has never visited me in NC (I’ve been here for 1.5 years). The truth is, there is a TON of sfuff to do. It isn’t rural AT ALL. Not redneck AT ALL. Some people are just too ignorant to understand it. Those people need to open their eyes up and explore this country. There are TONS of great places to live other than where you grew up. You owe it to yourself to explore them. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/36 "2009-10-28T11:40:51Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Quite the optimist (or ignoramus) we have here. You do realize there are 50 states right? 6th worse out of 50 is bad no matter how you cut it. > > And that’s just individual tax burden. NY is even worse for businesses so they leave and as an individual you’re stuck with high taxes and less jobs. you do realize how state population and other factors play into this? I’m happy with 6th, I would have though worse. I’m not concerned with businesses for the needs of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/37 "2009-10-28T11:50:09Z")
👋 state income tax… .whats that? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/38 "2009-10-28T12:00:58Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I’m not concerned with businesses for the needs of this thread. :picard: Yeah, because people don’t need private sector jobs to stay in NY, we can all work for the government or go on welfare. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/39 "2009-10-28T12:06:09Z")
it’s not that it’s not important, it’s that I consider it a separate and different discussion. This thread is about people leaving, not businesses. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-yorkers-leaving-at-alarming-rate/75433/40 "2009-10-28T12:10:43Z")
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