# Nissan Class Action Lawsuit, LC1/tranny issues **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [September 20, 2009, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782 "2009-09-20T08:18:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/1 "2009-09-20T08:18:47Z")
[http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=33578&hl=](http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=33578&hl=) They settled the suit. All past transmission failures will be covered. All future transmission failures will be covered, unless it fails WHILE the VDC was turned off. > [@godzilla2009](#): > > Yesterday Sept 18 at the 9 District Federal Court in LA Nissan finally settled the GTR TRANSMISSION claim issues regarding the LC1 and the denying of warranty like happeded to my and to many other GTR owners. First of all, I would like to thank Mr Harris who was the one that have all this started, and Mitch Kalcheim the attorney that believed in our claims and put his time and money in the line to get this case going foward until this end point. > For all the GTR owners that believed in our claims and gave us support, we thank them,for those GTR owners that believed that we were looking for money and said that our claims were ridiculous, once they receive all the benefits that arised from this settlement they may change their minds about it. > This is the end result: > 1-All GTR owners that have LC1 used before and were afraid that the tranny did not have any warranty because of turning VDC off and doing a LC1 will have their warranties re-setted for 5yr or 60k miles if they upgrade to LC2. All LC1 will be forgotten and the tranny will be fully covered by NISSAN. After LC2 being installed, all LC2 with VDC on will be fully covered by NISSAN. If you turn VDC off today , do your thing ( drag/road course/etc) and the tranny goes bad at that moment, the warranty will not hold, BUT if the problem arise some time later after turning VDC off back on and driving the car without any issues and then BAMMM…the tranny will be covered 100%. If not NISSAN WILL HAVE TO PROOF that turning VDC OFF a week or a month prior the damage was the cause of failure. THEY WILL NEED TO PROOF IT , not like before that they just saw the BB data and said it was not covered. > 2- ALL 2009 GTR owners will get a $75 coupon for any kind of service at any GTR approved Nissan dealership as part of a class compensation for the time taken to update LC2. > All this will be happening in the next 2-3 months when GTR owners will be receiving notification from NISSAN. > > After all this long and hard process, I believe we accomplished what we wanted, which it was to make NISSAN understand that LC1 was too hard on the car and all warranty claims resulting from this problem should had been covered in the first place. > Thank you for reading this. ---
**Author:** ![Treads4Heads](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/treads4heads/32/7416_2.png) [@Treads4Heads](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Treads4Heads)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/2 "2009-09-20T08:52:54Z")
:tup: for them finally manning up and taking care of their customers ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/3 "2009-09-20T08:53:07Z")
:tup: took them long enough… are the newer ones stronger/better? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/4 "2009-09-20T08:58:05Z")
> [@Treads4Heads](#): > > :tup: for them finally manning up and taking care of their customers They didn’t man up, they got sued. They were forced to take action. Not only that but you can be damn sure they will be doing everything in their power to claim transmissions failed during VDC off from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/5 "2009-09-20T08:59:55Z")
^that was my thought… how can they prove either way… ---
**Author:** ![Bucker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bucker/32/7379_2.png) [@Bucker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bucker)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/6 "2009-09-20T09:15:26Z")
PROOF! PROOF IT! ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/7 "2009-09-20T10:03:44Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > They didn’t man up, they got sued. They were forced to take action. > > Not only that but you can be damn sure they will be doing everything in their power to claim transmissions failed during VDC off from now on. +1 They have to provide solid proof though, which is easier said than done. ---
**Author:** ![somedude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@somedude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/somedude)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/8 "2009-09-20T12:42:04Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > +1 > > They have to provide solid proof though, which is easier said than done. can’t they just print the logs form the black box or what ever logging software they use to log the tattle tails? Unless the memory was cleared or the software was modified to disable them I would think that would be solid proof. ---
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/9 "2009-09-20T12:44:13Z")
> [@somedude](#): > > can’t they just print the logs form the black box or what ever logging software they use to log the tattle tails? Unless the memory was cleared or the software was modified to disable them I would think that would be solid proof. And if either of the latter happens it is automatically not covered ---
**Author:** ![dftsilvia](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dftsilvia/32/7447_2.png) [@dftsilvia](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dftsilvia)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/10 "2009-09-20T12:50:40Z")
well at least they did something. they just need to start making the trannies stronger. nissan always seemed to build good trannies, wonder what happened wit this one ---
**Author:** ![somedude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@somedude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/somedude)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/11 "2009-09-20T13:27:47Z")
> [@dftsilvia](#): > > well at least they did something. > they just need to start making the trannies stronger. > nissan always seemed to build good trannies, wonder what happened wit this one I wonder if they built the tranny to a reliable spec then near the end of the development someone in the powertrain dept said oh you you didn’t get the email about the launch control we just added? Then the tranny engineers were like but sir this was not designed for that kind of stress. Then the bean counters was like ahh push it through anyway R&D for a new stronger unit will cost more than replacement units because we will add a clause that will void the warranty. edit: it just makes me wonder because they have to imagine people are going to run the hell out of them once they are out for a while. Talking with the ford power train engineers at the SHO convention really puts things into perspective. Things like “most of our engine testing was not even on the production engine but rather on a current production 3.5 with the direct injection heads… yes that means a twin turbo swap is just a head and fuel management swap on to a standard engine.” ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/12 "2009-09-20T17:09:57Z")
Does Nissan even build transmissions? Probably outsource no? ---
**Author:** ![Jim1234664](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jim1234664/32/7438_2.png) [@Jim1234664](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jim1234664)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/13 "2009-09-20T17:49:43Z")
yeah definetly not an in house piece ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/14 "2009-09-20T17:58:42Z")
> MCR’s inspection has lead them to conclude that the transmission’s lifespan—at least if used as heavily as they do—may be no longer than 12 months if the engine’s power is tweaked. But, PPG offers a gearset for it now which is reported much stronger. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/15 "2009-09-20T19:34:40Z")
> [@somedude](#): > > can’t they just print the logs form the black box or what ever logging software they use to log the tattle tails? Unless the memory was cleared or the software was modified to disable them I would think that would be solid proof. Nissan needs to prove that the transmission damage occured WHILE the VDC was off…I don’t know what they’re logging, but it would have to be pretty detailed in order for them to prove that. basically it’s a situation where you CAN turn off the VDC, but whatever happens DURING that time, is on the owner. Once the VDC is back in the on position, warranty is back in effect. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/16 "2010-06-17T06:48:32Z")
> **[This Is Nissan's GT-R Launch-Control Warranty Settlement](https://jalopnik.com/this-is-nissans-gt-r-launch-control-warranty-settlement-5565919)** > > Owners will soon start receiving this letter and can choose to accept the settlement, appeal it, or exclude themselves from it. The official settlement. > When the Nissan GT-R launched in the United States, buyers soon discovered that using the vehicle’s launch-control feature led to a blown transmission and voided warranty. One owner started a class-action lawsuit and prevailed. Here’s the official settlement. > > The GT-R transmission issue was discovered in late 2008. Drivers were turning off the standard Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC, or Nissan’s version of electronic stability control) to activate a “launch control” feature that allowed for quick off-the-line starts. The feature, which was designed into the car by Nissan, often resulted in a broken gearbox and a warranty that Nissan refused to honor — the company considered turning VDC off to be something you’d do only when trapped in mud or snow. If you tried to deny your Nissan dealer access to your vehicle’s data-recording black box, your warranty would still be voided. > > A class action lawsuit resulted; Nissan, while admitting no wrongdoing or design problems (or ever having denied warranty claims), settled it by agreeing to give qualifying owners a transmission programming upgrade and a $75 coupon for service at a factory-authorized dealer. The company also agreed to pay original plaintiff in the case $31,500 to cover the cost of the replacement transmission he purchased, legal fees, and $5,000 for pursuing the action. > > Owners will soon start receiving this letter, our copy of which was obtained by DragTimes, and can choose to accept the settlement, appeal it, or exclude themselves from it. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/17 "2010-06-17T06:53:44Z")
> [@boardjnky4"](#): > > All past transmission failures will be covered. All future transmission failures will be covered, unless it fails WHILE the VDC was turned off. is not equal to > Nissan settled it by agreeing to give qualifying owners a transmission programming upgrade and a $75 coupon for service at a factory-authorized dealer. ---
**Author:** ![OfficerK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@OfficerK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OfficerK)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/18 "2010-06-17T07:01:16Z")
:word: It will be up to each individual owner to sue nissan, at least they have this case as a precedent ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/19 "2010-06-17T19:49:58Z")
yea, a special tune to deactivate or lessen the effectiveness of the launch control. ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782/20 "2010-06-18T09:43:05Z")
If it were me I would want launch control option removed, and the VDC only remove the stability control. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nissan-class-action-lawsuit-lc1-tranny-issues/73782.md?page=2)