# no casino for Buffalo..... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [July 8, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202 "2008-07-08T12:38:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SVT3945](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/svt3945/32/7409_2.png) [@SVT3945](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SVT3945)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/41 "2008-07-08T17:28:50Z")
Buffalo nor Erie county can afford to build a stadium downtown, that will never happen. Most if not all recently built stadiums in other cities have been mostly paid for by the cities and counties, never gonna happen in Buffalo. This casino is being built and payed for by the Senecas, not a bad deal for a city that can barely maintain its own infrastructure. If our super stupid sounding mayer had half a brain he would drawing industry to this area because of our proimity to the great lakes. ---
**Author:** ![SVT3945](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/svt3945/32/7409_2.png) [@SVT3945](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SVT3945)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/42 "2008-07-08T17:30:41Z")
> [@BuickGN](#): > > vegas is not poor, vegas is the farthest from poor you can get. > > sure there are some people in there pissing money away, but no way is it considered poor take 3 steps away from the strip in vegas and its a whole different place!! ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/43 "2008-07-08T17:57:50Z")
But we NEED the cranes…the cranes = progress = keeping the buffalo bills. ARGHHHHHHHHH. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/44 "2008-07-08T17:58:48Z")
glad that the casino is not going in. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/45 "2008-07-08T18:24:53Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > glad that the casino is not going in. It’ll still go in. It’s just a question of how much blood get sucked from the community in the legal process. ---
**Author:** ![9ONA3OOZX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9ona3oozx/32/7242_2.png) [@9ONA3OOZX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9ONA3OOZX)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/46 "2008-07-08T18:29:29Z")
ugh i hate having to drive all the way to the falls to get paid…we need this closer casino asap with gas prices killing me. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/47 "2008-07-08T18:35:02Z")
> [@90NA300ZX](#): > > ugh i hate having to drive all the way to the falls to get paid…we need this closer casino asap with gas prices killing me. If you made any real $ at the casino…gas prices wouldnt matter…plus you dont have a fucking car so quit bitching about it. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/48 "2008-07-08T18:48:52Z")
Maybe they could use the site for “Hair Club” for men. Did you see the guy that is against the casino? :uhh: I can’t decide if it is just a comb-over or if it is a wig comb-over combo.:lol: Either way I think he is a :pedo: Creepy lookin’ dude for sure. ---
**Author:** ![eclipsed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@eclipsed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eclipsed)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/49 "2008-07-08T19:53:05Z")
> [@SVT3945](#): > > Buffalo nor Erie county can afford to build a stadium downtown, that will never happen. Most if not all recently built stadiums in other cities have been mostly paid for by the cities and counties, never gonna happen in Buffalo. This casino is being built and payed for by the Senecas, not a bad deal for a city that can barely maintain its own infrastructure. If our super stupid sounding mayer had half a brain he would drawing industry to this area because of our proimity to the great lakes. thats just not true. most of the newer stadiums are privately financed by investment groups. the nfl has essentially become an entity in the business of showcasing a product that earns return for team investment groups and stadium investment groups. at the very MOST, maybe a new stadium is subsidized SLIGHTLY by municipalities. they are mostly privately financed. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/50 "2008-07-09T05:59:03Z")
> [@eclipsed](#): > > thats just not true. most of the newer stadiums are privately financed by investment groups. > > the nfl has essentially become an entity in the business of showcasing a product that earns return for team investment groups and stadium investment groups. > > at the very MOST, maybe a new stadium is subsidized SLIGHTLY by municipalities. they are mostly privately financed. Uh, no, especially not in markets like Buffalo. Dallas, a HUGE football town/state: [http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/graphics/1206/stadium/](http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/graphics/1206/stadium/) Arizona: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinals\_Stadium](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinals_Stadium) (paid for by prop 302 [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Arizona\_Proposition\_302\_(2000)](http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Arizona_Proposition_302_(2000)) The Minnesota Vikings owner thought thought he was getting a 1 billion dollar taxpayer funded stadium, then that bridge collapsed and people smartened the fuck up and realized they have better ways to spend tax dollars. [http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz\_07nfl\_Minnesota-Vikings\_309201.html](http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Minnesota-Vikings_309201.html) And there in lies the reason why Buffalo will NEVER get any better. Too many assholes coming up with pie in the sky, “you know what would be better than what they’re trying to do, this” ideas that prevent anything from getting done. You’re not putting the Bills downtown, get that idea out of your heads. Would it be great for downtown, sure it would. IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. No corporation is going to invest that kind of money and the city/county/state is far too broke and taxed to the max to pay for it. You’ll be lucky if the team even stays in WNY after Wilson is gone considering the interest they’re already drumming up in Toronto. So lets build SOMETHING. The casino is 100% paid for by the Senecas. Will it be the end all be all of fixing downtown? Of course not, but it’s a great addition to what they’ve got going on down there with the harbor project. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/51 "2008-07-09T06:02:37Z")
OK. NYS does not allow gambling, so NYS finds loopholes to get casinos all over the state, yet sees only a fraction of the revenue. NYS allows state run casinos and all our taxes go down (or at least go up less) ---
**Author:** ![OfficerK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@OfficerK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OfficerK)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/52 "2008-07-09T06:12:07Z")
well yea this would be the ultimate solution…but not in this back-asswards state ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/53 "2008-07-09T06:24:38Z")
> [@newman](#): > > OK. > > NYS does not allow gambling, so NYS finds loopholes to get casinos all over the state, yet sees only a fraction of the revenue. > > NYS allows state run casinos and all our taxes go down (or at least go up less) lol if we do that there will be burning tires all over the thruway. ---
**Author:** ![dozr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@dozr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dozr)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/54 "2008-07-09T06:33:40Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > So lets build SOMETHING. The casino is 100% paid for by the Senecas. Will it be the end all be all of fixing downtown? Of course not, but it’s a great addition to what they’ve got going on down there with the harbor project. Jay, I can usually at least respect your points, and understand them to some extent, but not this one. You are talking about an establishment that has an unbelievably unfair advantage over all of the other businesses in this city. How do you expect the Hyatt or Adam’s Marks to compete when they have to pay bed tax, sales tax, property tax, and all sorts of other taxes?? Do you think the city’s restaurants will suffer because the casino has free drinks, no tax and no smoking laws? If we want a casino, fine - legalize it. This is a shitty deal all around that will suck hundreds of millions of dollars OUT of our local economy, and hurt hundreds of local businesses. We will never be a destination city because of a casino, especially within NF so nearby. For a city that complains daily about how albany sucks money out of our pockets, it is unbelievable to me that almost an entire community can be so incredibly naive. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/55 "2008-07-09T06:34:33Z")
why would we legalize stuff and tax it when we can just lose out on revenue for “moral” reasons? Next they’re going to start running weed distro operations on the rez too ---
**Author:** ![eclipsed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@eclipsed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eclipsed)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/56 "2008-07-09T06:42:39Z")
> [@dozr](#): > > Jay, I can usually at least respect your points, and understand them to some extent, but not this one. > > You are talking about an establishment that has an unbelievably unfair advantage over all of the other businesses in this city. How do you expect the Hyatt or Adam’s Marks to compete when they have to pay bed tax, sales tax, property tax, and all sorts of other taxes?? Do you think the city’s restaurants will suffer because the casino has free drinks, no tax and no smoking laws? > > If we want a casino, fine - legalize it. This is a shitty deal all around that will suck hundreds of millions of dollars OUT of our local economy, and hurt hundreds of local businesses. We will never be a destination city because of a casino, especially within NF so nearby. > > For a city that complains daily about how albany sucks money out of our pockets, it is unbelievable to me that almost an entire community can be so incredibly naive. this is the best anti-casino point i have read/heard. 👏 i actually agree. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/57 "2008-07-09T06:55:50Z")
But casino’s are good for the economy! Look at all the business that has sprung up around Turning Stone, another indian casino in NY! ![http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/BikerFry/turningstone.jpg](http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/BikerFry/turningstone.jpg) Oh, well I guess there’s nothing else there really. Hmm. Well, maybe it’s just not big enough! Mohegan Sun is the 2nd largest casino in the world! That one’s sure to have turned its surrounding area into a booming tourism district! ![http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/BikerFry/mohegansun.jpg](http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/BikerFry/mohegansun.jpg) Hmm. I’m starting to think that casinos might not do much for their local economies… ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/58 "2008-07-09T07:05:41Z")
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR PEOPLE? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/59 "2008-07-09T07:07:34Z")
I’m just going to quote myself from the last casino debate thread, because my arguments haven’t changed and this is just a waste of time. > [@Opposition to City Casino?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/17): > > I fully support the casino downtown, for the simple reason that downtown development has to start SOMEWHERE. 6 million for roads? Who cares. Niagara Falls take last year alone was 12 million. The fact that they can’t agree with Pataki on how to spend it is hardly the casino’s fault. > > Take the casino, add in bass pro, plus the big bucks we’re getting for waterfront re-development from the Niagara Power Project and I think we’re on the verge of a major shift in downtown. > > The winner for the worst anti casino arguement has to go to the people crying about the property being removed from the property tax roles. The 9 acre site downtown brought in a whopping $31000 last year. Last time I checked, 12 million \> 31000. > > Joe, you have a point about it being better if they fixed downtown first. The problem is Buffalo has been trying to “fix” downtown since it started to decline all those decades ago when the steel industry left. Unless you have a concrete plan of how you’re going to start turning it around before the casino, you’re just part of the “stuck in the mud” politics that make up Buffalo. > [@Opposition to City Casino?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/30): > > I don’t buy this whole “there are so many problems that come along with the casino” statement. The days of mob run casinos are long gone, replaced by big business. What “big problems” does Niagara Falls have, other than 12 million a year to play with, a bunch of jobs at the casino, a bunch of construction jobs putting up that huge hotel, more construction jobs to build the new parking ramp, and even more jobs working at the hotel? > > I guess Niagara Falls has had to step up parking enforcement around the casino, but that turned into a cash cow as well, because they’ve been writing a whole bunch of parking tickets. > > Degenerate gamblers will gamble with or without a casino in downtown Buffalo. Be it in Niagara Falls ON, Niagara Falls US, their local OTB, or online poker. If you have a gambling problem you’ll find a way to gamble. The only thing that has changed is the City of Niagara Falls has finally got their plan for the money together and the state let them have it. 2006 was 14 million. Looks to be more for 2007. Fix roads: [http://www.niagarafallsvoice.com/news/nfv\_article.aspx?storyid=57884](http://www.niagarafallsvoice.com/news/nfv_article.aspx?storyid=57884) Schools, hospitals, capital improvement: [http://www.niagarafallsvoice.com/news/nfv\_article.aspx?storyid=56659](http://www.niagarafallsvoice.com/news/nfv_article.aspx?storyid=56659) BTW, hotel occupancy up in NF US: [http://www.niagarafallsvoice.com/news/nfv\_article.aspx?storyid=58447](http://www.niagarafallsvoice.com/news/nfv_article.aspx?storyid=58447) When was the last time you saw developers interested in building new hotels in Buffalo? Oh yeah, they wanted to build one on Elmwood and the Dozr’s of WNY came out and sued to make sure it wouldn’t happen. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/60 "2008-07-09T07:07:49Z")
Maybe we could just cut welfare checks directly to the Senecas so that poor people don’t have to waste time that could be spent job-hunting giving it to the Senecas one quarter at a time via a slot machine. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202.md?page=4)