# no casino for Buffalo..... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [July 8, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202 "2008-07-08T12:38:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/81 "2008-07-09T08:41:13Z")
> [@evolve](#): > > Didn’t i read somewhere that we will be capped at $7 Mil? > > Progress is good, but for fucks sake who negotiated that? ? ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/82 "2008-07-09T08:42:10Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > ^ Are you really suprised? > > Some more of Buffalo’s great anti-business moves: > > Pano’s finally gets approval to expand, after multi-year lawsuits and who knows how much spent in legal fees: > [http://www.buffalorising.com/story/panos\_receives\_stamp\_of\_approv](http://www.buffalorising.com/story/panos_receives_stamp_of_approv) > > Elmwood Village Hotel lawsuit: > [Lawsuit sends Buffalo, N.Y. hotel proposal to New York Supreme Court - Wikinews, the free news source](http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Lawsuit_sends_Buffalo,_N.Y._hotel_proposal_to_New_York_Supreme_Court) > > Grain elevator lawsuits: > [http://www2.preservationnation.org/magazine/archives/arc\_news\_2005/122805.htm](http://www2.preservationnation.org/magazine/archives/arc_news_2005/122805.htm) > > Peace Bridge lawsuits: > [http://www.buffalorising.com/story/change\_in\_peace\_bridge\_design](http://www.buffalorising.com/story/change_in_peace_bridge_design) > [http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/category/peace-bridge/](http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/category/peace-bridge/) > > There are more, but I have work to do. > > But yeah, what downtown really needs is a bunch of businesses to move down there. WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS WANT TO MOVE THERE WHEN ALL PEOPLE DO IS SUE? Successful companies look at places like Georgia who are welcoming them with open arms and tax incentives, then look at Buffalo who sues every time a shovel gets near it’s historic dirt, and the decision of where to go is easy. but… but… the lower west side is coming back with a vengence!! Look, it only took 10 yrs to get Richmond cleaned up!! Like 4 whole blocks of it too!! ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/83 "2008-07-09T08:43:11Z")
EVERY TIME I read a thread about failed policy I do some quick calculations on what it would cost to unhook, rig, transport, re-hook all of my equipment. I want to move my company to Reno in a bad way. It would be much easier if I just had something like a pizza oven. This political region will go down in history as being the most corrupt and ignorant in US history. I have actually thought about starting a small machine shop in Reno just to get started out there, then move my entire operation. 99% of my business is outside of this pathetic state anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/84 "2008-07-09T08:44:44Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > EVERY TIME I read a thread about failed policy I do some quick calculations on what it would cost to unhook, rig, transport, re-hook all of my equipment. > I want to move my company to Reno in a bad way. > It would be much easier if I just had something like a pizza oven. > > This political region will go down in history as being the most corrupt and ignorant in US history. Reno, huh? \ ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/85 "2008-07-09T08:47:21Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > EVERY TIME I read a thread about failed policy I do some quick calculations on what it would cost to unhook, rig, transport, re-hook all of my equipment. > I want to move my company to Reno in a bad way. > It would be much easier if I just had something like a pizza oven. > > This political region will go down in history as being the most corrupt and ignorant in US history. > > I have actually thought about starting a small machine shop in Reno just to get started out there, then move my entire operation. > 99% of my business is outside of this pathetic state anyway. Short drive from Tahoe. I like the way you think. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/86 "2008-07-09T08:50:50Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > EVERY TIME I read a thread about failed policy I do some quick calculations on what it would cost to unhook, rig, transport, re-hook all of my equipment. > I want to move my company to Reno in a bad way. > It would be much easier if I just had something like a pizza oven. > > This political region will go down in history as being the most corrupt and ignorant in US history. > > I have actually thought about starting a small machine shop in Reno just to get started out there, then move my entire operation. > 99% of my business is outside of this pathetic state anyway. As looney as you may seem at times… The “Save Buffalo” Crowd needs to realize that ALOT of small to medium sized business have these feelings… and it’s not just spitballing conjecture. I wish someone would work to WELCOME business to the area, but that would disturb the grain elevators, the common seagull, the historic yet baron dirt, or some other bullshit. The casino is not the city’s savior, but it IS another SHINING example of the short sightedness of the WNY politicos. meh. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/87 "2008-07-09T08:51:13Z")
> [@evolve](#): > > ? Unless you can provide some proof of that cap I’m calling BS. I’ve been searching for it all morning and haven’t found anything that would indicate there is a 7 million dollar cap. Nevermind, I finally found your 7 million dollar number: [http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Archive\_Press\_Releases/Leadership/Mayor/2006\_Archives/October\_2006/AGREEMENT\_ON\_SALE\_OF\_FULTON\_STREET](http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Archive_Press_Releases/Leadership/Mayor/2006_Archives/October_2006/AGREEMENT_ON_SALE_OF_FULTON_STREET) > $5 million - $7 million worth of infrastructure improvements to City-owned lands around the Buffalo Creek Territory to be made by Seneca Gaming Corporation; Also: > In accordance with its Compact agreement, the Seneca Nation pays New York State a percentage of its net slot machine revenues on an annual basis. > The State then returns 25 percent of that amount back to the host community for each casino. > Last week, the Nation presented New York State officials with payments totaling more than $68.3 million representing its slot machine exclusivity payment for 2005 from Seneca Niagara Casino & Hotel and Seneca Allegany Casino. > It is anticipated that New York State will then return $11.3 million and $5.7 million to the host communities in Niagara Falls and Salamanca respectively. Seneca Nation and Seneca Gaming Corporation representatives estimate that, once the full-scale Seneca Buffalo Creek Casino project is completed, the host community in Buffalo will receive between $5 million and $7 million in annual revenue share payments, giving the City a new source of much-needed revenue for future economic development projects. So they were estimating 5-7 million a year for Buffalo back when the Seneca’s were building a 125 million dollar casino. There is no cap. And that number would be much higher now that they want to build a 333 million dollar casino. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/88 "2008-07-09T08:53:16Z")
**DO SOME FUCKING WORK SLACKER!** ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/89 "2008-07-09T08:53:58Z")
:lol: I’m leaving for lunch in 5 minutes now. When I get back I’m disconnecting myself from the interweb. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/90 "2008-07-09T08:54:50Z")
So the state gets a percent, and then we the host community gets 1/4 of that? Our government is too big. There are too many chiefs and not enough indians. :uhh: :lol: ---
**Author:** ![dozr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@dozr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dozr)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/91 "2008-07-09T08:55:34Z")
Actually they only expect it to balloon to about 7 million max. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/92 "2008-07-09T08:57:24Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > **DO SOME FUCKING WORK SLACKER!** I’ve pumped \>$400k back into the Dept of Education books so far today. What have you done? :whip: ---
**Author:** ![dozr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@dozr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dozr)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/93 "2008-07-09T08:59:30Z")
Also, please stop lumping me in with the preservationist crowd - I am against them 95% of the time. I was for the hotel, for panos (I just think he’s an asshole), and for just about every other responsible development proposal. This deal just does not make sense… Jay, how about you give me $20, and I give you back $2… I mean thats a great deal right? Because noone else has given you money today! Its revenue! I am OK with the casino, if we get a BETTER FUCKING DEAL. As of right now, they will BLEED WNY FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. And your argument is that “development has to start somewhere”?!?!? Give me a fucking break. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/94 "2008-07-09T09:02:09Z")
tom - what are the realistic annual expenses faced by the city if the casino is built? I assume that you know, based on it being one of your main points. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/95 "2008-07-09T09:26:14Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > As looney as you may seem at times… I am a product of NYS policy. (insert insanity smilie here) ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/96 "2008-07-09T09:45:31Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > I’ve pumped \>$400k back into the Dept of Education books so far today. > > What have you done? > > :whip: that wasn’t directed at you. It was directed at the human almanac ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/97 "2008-07-09T09:49:23Z")
:tup: ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/98 "2008-07-09T09:57:43Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > tom - what are the realistic annual expenses faced by the city if the casino is built? > > I assume that you know, based on it being one of your main points. +1 ---
**Author:** ![ly555is](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3bc359/32.png) [@ly555is](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ly555is)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/99 "2008-07-09T10:02:16Z")
> [@newman](#): > > have you ever been in the temporary one? it’s really sad. It’s just a bunch of poor people pissing away their money. i think you mean ‘any’ casino i love going back to seneca allegany. i even wear the shirt from there. i’ll never play, though… thanks for helping put my dad through college, gamblers 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202/100 "2008-07-09T10:05:43Z")
> [@Bigairskier1580](#): > > I personally would rather see a casino than a bunch of vacant decaying buildings. Read this again > [@dozr](#): > > Jay, I can usually at least respect your points, and understand them to some extent, but not this one. > > You are talking about an establishment that has an unbelievably unfair advantage over all of the other businesses in this city. How do you expect the Hyatt or Adam’s Marks to compete when they have to pay bed tax, sales tax, property tax, and all sorts of other taxes?? Do you think the city’s restaurants will suffer because the casino has free drinks, no tax and no smoking laws? > > If we want a casino, fine - legalize it. This is a shitty deal all around that will suck hundreds of millions of dollars OUT of our local economy, and hurt hundreds of local businesses. We will never be a destination city because of a casino, especially within NF so nearby. > > For a city that complains daily about how albany sucks money out of our pockets, it is unbelievable to me that almost an entire community can be so incredibly naive. I bet that if the casino gets built, we will be seeing a lot more vacant buildings in the nearby area. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-casino-for-buffalo/51202.md?page=6)