# No Walmart in Kilbuck twp @ old Dixmont site

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**Created:** [September 26, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-walmart-in-kilbuck-twp-old-dixmont-site/192661 "2007-09-26T14:30:54Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 2, 2007, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-walmart-in-kilbuck-twp-old-dixmont-site/192661/27 "2007-10-02T10:43:49Z")

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> [@yep](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yep/32586/10):
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> REALLY?
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> Where did you read that?
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> The entire ORB aka 65 corrider is a money press for all those crappy municipalities & the city of pgh.
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> 40mph by the stadiums my ass.

Yes really. I know guys that work there and this was in the Trib.

> It might not be quite soon enough to hit the gas.  
> But if a Kilbuck supervisor has his way, police in a township famed for its speed trap will be disbanded or merged with neighboring Ohio Township police.
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> Supervisor Russell Hardiman said Kilbuck stands to save $120,000 a year if the police force is eliminated.
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> Supervisor Jim Pool, however, opposes the plan, and supervisors Chairman Dave Blackson said he’s undecided.
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> But the idea has plenty of backers.  
> “Good,” KDKA Radio morning talk-show host Mike Pintek said Wednesday when told of Hardiman’s proposal.
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> Pintek has railed against Kilbuck police for more than a decade.
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> “I stay out of Kilbuck as much as I can, and I have other people drive if I have to go through it,” he said.
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> For years, Pittsburgh-area residents have sounded off to Pintek about Kilbuck police, telling tales of being ticketed for having faded license plates, license-plate frames covering the word Pennsylvania or decals in the back window.
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> “That police department has a bad black eye because it is one of the worst speed traps,” Pintek said. “And it’s all about getting money.”
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> Revenue from traffic citations has dried up over the past several years – to just under $31,000 last year, compared to nearly $45,000 in 1999.
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> Kilbuck has slashed traffic citations in half – from 4,000 to 5,000 annually a decade ago to about 2,000 last year, said police Chief Randy Elllison.
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> Township officials say catching speeders is less emphasized now than in the past. And they insist it never was about money.
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> “Patrols started in the early 1990s after a rash of fatal accidents along Route 65,” Hardiman said. “And Route 65 should be patrolled. We cannot have people entering Emsworth going 55 mph.”
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> Hardiman said he simply is looking for ways to cut costs. He said the idea of disbanding the police has nothing to do with declining revenue from tickets.
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> “This is about lower taxes, and that is what we are elected to do,” he said.
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> Some residents said they don’t mind the township’s speed-trap reputation.
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> “I am not necessarily against a speed trap if they using it to stop DUIs on Ohio River Boulevard,” Kilbuck resident Marilyn Simon said. “I think the police are wrongly criticized.”
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> Supervisor Pool said he fears the elimination of the police force could be a step toward eliminating the tiny township itself.
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> “I will not let this township be dissolved,” Pool said of Kilbuck.
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> Kilbuck has a population of 723. Its tax rate is 6.5 mills, compared to 2.5 mills in neighboring Ohio Township.
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> Maintaining the police force of three full-time officers and seven part-timers costs the township about $180,000 a year.
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> Not much bang for the buck, said Hardiman.
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> Nearby Sewickley Hills pays $58,000 annually for police protection from Ohio Township. Ben Avon pays $140,000 annually for police protection from Kilbuck. Ben Avon has more than twice the population of Kilbuck.
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> Kilbuck is one of hundreds of locations listed on [speedtrap.org](http://speedtrap.org) – a Web site run by the National Motorists Association of Waunakee, Wis. The group has fought for the repeal of the national 55-mph speed limit.

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