# NOT the ring of death! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 8, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964 "2007-12-08T16:11:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Resurrected\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Resurrected\_J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Resurrected_J)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/1 "2007-12-08T16:11:51Z")
grrr just got the ring of death on my xbox! damn it! ---
**Author:** ![Bucker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bucker/32/7379_2.png) [@Bucker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bucker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/2 "2007-12-08T16:13:12Z")
Towel trick. ---
**Author:** ![Dlucas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c77e96/32.png) [@Dlucas](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dlucas)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/3 "2007-12-08T16:15:41Z")
Don’t bother. The ring will be back in a week. Send it out. ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/4 "2007-12-08T16:15:51Z")
lol, just had mine in for service, my mb was too warped and they couldent fix it, had to buy another. good luck ---
**Author:** ![Resurrected\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Resurrected\_J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Resurrected_J)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/5 "2007-12-08T16:36:02Z")
son of a bitch, such a pain in the ass! for some reason it won’t let me register it on the website? tired 4 times, also the phone number is messed up? or maybe i’m just an idiot lol ---
**Author:** ![97eclipse420a](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/96bed5/32.png) [@97eclipse420a](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97eclipse420a)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/6 "2007-12-08T16:37:21Z")
whats the towel trick? ---
**Author:** ![Resurrected\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Resurrected\_J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Resurrected_J)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/7 "2007-12-08T16:49:41Z")
i called it’s gotta go in, i was getting a dirty disk error more and more often (disks were scratch free) so i knew this was coming ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Danger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/matt_danger/32/4981_2.png) [@Matt\_Danger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Matt_Danger)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/8 "2007-12-08T16:50:57Z")
[quote=“97eclipse420a,post:6,topic:39964"”] whats the towel trick? [/quote] > **["Towel trick" provides temporary fix to Xbox 360's red ring of doom?](https://www.engadget.com/2007-01-15-towel-trick-provides-temporary-fix-to-xbox-360s-red-ring-of-d.html)** > > If you think we took that indubitably unscientific "decibel test" with a grain of salt, then we're throwing down a few barrels with this one, but the sheer weirdness of this should encourage all bricked Xbox 360 owners to give it a whirl. Although... Since apparently the ring of death is caused by the motherboard warping and causing the GPU to separate from it some people have tried wrapping a towel around the box and letting it run with the red ring blinking for 10 minutes, then turning it off and back on. The idea is that forcing the box to overheat would melt the soldier on the GPU’s pins enough to reconnect it to the board. We tried this on my friend’s 360 when he got the ring of death and it actually did work for a little while, but it was only a temporary solution and ultimately he had to get it replaced by microsoft. Now his new one has some problem with the optical drive and MS won’t warranty it, heh. ---
**Author:** ![Krud](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krud/32/5143_2.png) [@Krud](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Krud)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/9 "2007-12-08T16:51:15Z")
sent mine in, pretty good turn around, 2 weeks-ish ---
**Author:** ![Resurrected\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Resurrected\_J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Resurrected_J)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/10 "2007-12-08T16:54:22Z")
my cousin sent his in, been 4 weeks and counting ---
**Author:** ![Dlucas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c77e96/32.png) [@Dlucas](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dlucas)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/11 "2007-12-08T17:30:47Z")
[quote=“Matt Danger,post:8,topic:39964"”] > **["Towel trick" provides temporary fix to Xbox 360's red ring of doom?](https://www.engadget.com/2007-01-15-towel-trick-provides-temporary-fix-to-xbox-360s-red-ring-of-d.html)** > > If you think we took that indubitably unscientific "decibel test" with a grain of salt, then we're throwing down a few barrels with this one, but the sheer weirdness of this should encourage all bricked Xbox 360 owners to give it a whirl. Although... Since apparently the ring of death is caused by the motherboard warping and causing the GPU to separate from it some people have tried wrapping a towel around the box and letting it run with the red ring blinking for 10 minutes, then turning it off and back on. The idea is that forcing the box to overheat would melt the soldier on the GPU’s pins enough to reconnect it to the board. We tried this on my friend’s 360 when he got the ring of death and it actually did work for a little while, but it was only a temporary solution and ultimately he had to get it replaced by microsoft. Now his new one has some problem with the optical drive and MS won’t warranty it, heh. [/quote] It has nothing to do with re-soldering the connections. It doesn’t get THAT hot. It has to do with getting it to go into “reboot” mode and resetting itself. ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/12 "2007-12-08T21:24:47Z")
[quote=“Dlucas,post:11,topic:39964"”] It has nothing to do with re-soldering the connections. It doesn’t get THAT hot. It has to do with getting it to go into “reboot” mode and resetting itself. [/quote] wrong, it heats up the solder so it re flows the bad points that may have come loose. Also you should get rid of the x clamps and use nuts and bolts to put the heat sinks on, that way there is less flexing of the MB. A heat gun works well for re flowing also, the towel trick works but it must get super hot, then cool down without moving. There a ton of articles on this and the heatgun trick, try them, some work some do not, first thing i would do is the 12v mod to the fans then replace those damn x clamps 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Resurrected\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Resurrected\_J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Resurrected_J)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/13 "2007-12-08T21:36:42Z")
eh i’ll just send it in, only a few weeks or so w/o it, i’ll live for the mean time- they fix it for free so no worries. just a minor inconvience 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![suppressive\_fire](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/suppressive_fire/32/5116_2.png) [@suppressive\_fire](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/suppressive_fire)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/14 "2007-12-09T05:47:51Z")
fyi they give you 3 months xbox live and a new 360 when you send it in. ---
**Author:** ![Supraman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/supraman/32/7307_2.png) [@Supraman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Supraman)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/15 "2007-12-09T06:32:13Z")
[quote=“suppressive fire,post:14,topic:39964"”] fyi they give you 3 months xbox live and a REFURBISHED 360 when you send it in. [/quote] fixed. ---
**Author:** ![articzap](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/articzap/32/7361_2.png) [@articzap](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/articzap)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/16 "2007-12-09T06:33:17Z")
Screw xbox. ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/17 "2007-12-09T06:38:56Z")
Actually they fix yours, friend just got his back, they returned his, no refurb or new unit. ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/18 "2007-12-09T06:39:45Z")
[quote=“articzap,post:16,topic:39964"”] Screw xbox. [/quote] go leghump in the sony forum. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cdvma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/48db29/32.png) [@cdvma](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cdvma)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/19 "2007-12-09T08:04:19Z")
[quote=“BuickGN,post:12,topic:39964"”] wrong, it heats up the solder so it re flows the bad points that may have come loose. Also you should get rid of the x clamps and use nuts and bolts to put the heat sinks on, that way there is less flexing of the MB. A heat gun works well for re flowing also, the towel trick works but it must get super hot, then cool down without moving. There a ton of articles on this and the heatgun trick, try them, some work some do not, first thing i would do is the 12v mod to the fans then replace those damn x clamps 🙂 [/quote] Has anyone actually seen it reflow or have some sort of thing besides theory? I have a _seriously_ hard time believing that a) it gets to that temp and b) it reflows properly. These chips will shut down internally before the reflow point. I’m not calling anyone a liar or anything but I would love to find somewhere that factually shows reflow…because if it does that some shitty ass chip design by the GPU manufacturer. ---
**Author:** ![Supraman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/supraman/32/7307_2.png) [@Supraman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Supraman)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964/20 "2007-12-09T08:13:09Z")
I guess they cant use lead solder because this is a toy that kids use so they had to use solder with no lead and apparently it has a lower melting point or something. I had a link on this… :edit: here is one > **[Lead-free problems for the Xbox](https://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/directive-decoder/general-directive-decoder/leadfree-problems-for-the-xbox-2007-11/)** > > Tests in the US concluded that lead-free solders were no better, or worse, than traditional lead based solder, just different, and overall provide no benefit to the environment, especially if lead is adequately controlled. you can google the rest. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/not-the-ring-of-death/39964.md?page=2)