# NOTICE TO WIVB-TV AND WNLO-TV VIEWERS **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 26, 2008, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542 "2008-09-26T10:54:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/1 "2008-09-26T10:54:10Z")
> **On October 2nd, you could lose your favorite programming…** > **[SIZE=3]KNOW THE FACTS!**[/SIZE] > Time Warner Cable has a short-term agreement to carry the signals of _WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo_ and _WNLO CW 23_ on its cable system. The agreement expires on **October 2, 2008**. For the past two months, our parent company, LIN TV, has attempted to reach a new long-term agreement with Time Warner. > We are asking our viewers who subscribe to Time Warner Cable to insist that Time Warner Cable be fair to you and be fair to Buffalo’s #1 rated “News 4 - Keeping You Connected”! > **_FACT: Time Warner Cable thinks that it can carry WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo and WNLO CW 23’s signals without paying fair market value, yet still charge you for it!!_** > Time Warner Cable benefits financially from including broadcast stations, like _WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo_ and _WNLO CW 23,_ in its line-up, and like any other business, they should pay fair market compensation, or less than a penny a day per station/per subscriber, for that ability to resell our station’s programming to its subscribers. > Local broadcast stations are among the most important channels cable operators provide. _WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo_ reports – around-the-clock – on Buffalo’s news, politics, traffic, weather emergencies, public service announcements and has been major part of the community since 1948. > **_FACT: It is unlawful for Time Warner Cable to broadcast our signals without a contract._** > Under Federal law, Time Warner Cable cannot carry our signals without a contract. If we do not reach an agreement by October 2, 2008, Time Warner will no longer have the legal rights to carry _WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo_ and _WNLO CW 23_ on its cable system and will deprive viewers of popular sports programming, including _Buffalo Bills NFL Football_ games, the AFC Divisional playoff games on January 10, and January 11, 2009, as well as the AFC Championship game on January 18, 2009, and entertainment programming including _The Price is Right_, _The Oprah Winfrey Show_, and _CSI: Crime Scene Investigation_. > **_FACT: WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo and WNLO CW 23 are FREE… but only for viewers with an antenna._** > _WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo_ and _WNLO CW 23_ does transmit our programming over the airwaves and customers can get our signals for free via an antenna. That does not mean, however, that Time Warner Cable, one of the largest cable companies in the United States, has the right to take our signal for free and resell it to you for a profit. > Here is a basic analogy: If you were to get a drink of water at a public drinking fountain, it is free, but once the water is placed in a package, it is no longer free. The same holds true for local television programming delivered through a subscription-based provider. > **_FACT: It is untruthful for Time Warner Cable to blame_** **_WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo and WNLO CW 23_** **_for rising cable rates!_** > Time Warner Cable already charges you for local stations. They do not have to raise rates. > **_FACT: Time Warner Cable pays for other channels – channels that you may not even watch!_** > Time Warner Cable pays cable networks, such as ESPN, TNT, Disney, Lifetime, Nickelodeon, and the list goes on and on. Cable companies often say that local broadcasters have “unreasonable demands” and they are trying to “protect their subscribers from increasing their rates”. If that were true, why are they paying cable networks that have far less viewership than us? > We do not believe that less than a penny day per station/per subscriber is an unreasonable demand for our award-winning news, sports and entertainment programming. It is actually much less than what cable companies compensate many of its cable networks, none of which have the high viewing of your local _CBS_ station. > **_FACT: This is an issue that affects not only WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo and WNLO CW 23 but all broadcasters._** > Most cable operators, like their satellite and telecommunications competitors, now understand and acknowledge that fair and equitable compensation is the norm. Many carriage agreements between local stations and cable systems are expiring soon. Broadcasters across the country will be negotiating for fair market value with their cable and satellite providers and most will reach agreements without engaging in a dispute. > **_FACT: We have reached agreements with every major cable company, except for Time Warner Cable_** > LIN TV has reached carriage agreements with _every_ major cable, telecommunications, and satellite operator that carries our stations, including providers in Buffalo such as Verizon, Comcast, DirecTV and DISH Network. We know from those agreements that what we are asking for is very reasonable. > **_FACT: Cable is no longer a monopoly. You now have choices!_** > DISH Network is offering a $50 incentive if you switch from Time Warner to the DISH Network service. 1-888-DISH-950. > Verizon’s FiOS TV service also carries LIN TV stations in the Buffalo area. Viewers may call (888) 438-3467 for more information on FiOS TV. > Don’t forget, you can always use an antenna. _WIVB-TV News 4 Buffalo_ and _WNLO CW 23_ broadcast in both standard analog format and in digital HDTV format. Most viewers will simply need a switch to be able to watch completely for free using an over-the-air antenna. > **HELP US KEEP WIVB-TV AND WNLO-TV ON TIME WARNER** > **BY CALLING THEM AT 716-558-8881 for customers in the Buffalo billing area** > **and 1-800-756-7956 for customers in the Rochester billing area!** > [Letter from Chris Musial, President and General Manager of WIVB/WNLO-TV](http://www.wivb.com/global/story.asp?s=9075105) > > Programming you will miss after October 2nd WIVB-TV & WNLO-TV > WIVB-TVWIVB-TV > News 4 News 4 Wake Up! > News 4 at Noon > News 4 at 5 & 6 > News 4 at 11 > News 4 Wake Up! Sat & Sun > News 4 at 6 Sat & Sun > News 4 at 11 Sat & Sun > > NFL Football Bills vs Arizona 10/5 > Bills vs San Diego 10/19 > Bills vs Miami 10/26 > Bills vs NY Jets 11/2 > Bills vs Kansas City 11/9 > Bills vs San Fransico 11/23 > Bills vs Miami 12/7 > Bills vs NY Jets 12/14 > Bills vs Denver 12/21 > January Playoffs > College Football Florida vs Arkansas 10/4 > Tenn vs Georgia 10/11 > LSU vs Florida 10/11 > LSU vs S. Car. 10/18 > Georgia vs LSU 10/25 > Georgia vs Florida 11/1 > Alabama vs LSU 11/8 > Notre Dame vs Navy 11/15 > Arkansas vs Miss State 11/22 > LSU vs Arkansas 11/28 > Georgia Tech vs Georgia 11/29 > Auburn vs Alabama 11/29 > Army vs Navy 12/6 > SEC Championship > Brut Sunbowl 12/31 > Gator Bowl 1/1 > Daytime The Price is Right > Young & the Restless > Bold & the Beautiful > As the World Turns > Guiding Light > Oprah > > CBS Primetime How I Met Your Mother > Two and A Half Men > NCIS > Criminal Minds > Survivor > CSI: Crime Scene Investigation > CSI: Miami > CSI: New York > Ghost Whisperer > Numb3rs > > CBS Late NightLate Show with David Letterman > Later with Craig Ferguson > WNLO-TVWNLO-TV > News 4 10 O’Clock News at 10 > 10 O’Clock News at 10 Weekends > Daytime Martha Stewart > Better Buffalo > Who Wants to be a Millionaire > The CW Network > Primetime Gossip Girl > 90210 > One Tree Hill > Privledged > Smallville > Supernatural > America’s Top Model i thought this was a bold move by TW, it would be pretty different with on 2, 7 news… ---
**Author:** ![BooSting](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b19c9b/32.png) [@BooSting](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BooSting)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/2 "2008-09-26T10:56:12Z")
cliffs? ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/3 "2008-09-26T11:01:37Z")
> [@BooSting](#): > > cliffs? **On October 2nd, you could lose your favorite programming…** ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/4 "2008-09-26T11:02:36Z")
channel 4 broadcasting to noone. reminds me of thsi episode ---
**Author:** ![Afrank45](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/afrank45/32/5021_2.png) [@Afrank45](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Afrank45)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/5 "2008-09-26T11:06:31Z")
this is just my opinion but id like some feedback this is a sports hungry area correct? and people are crazy for the bills and the bills are finally good so how would it be good business for TWC to cut bills games off??? i would think that would cause immediate upheaval of customers to dish…any thoughts ---
**Author:** ![jabbu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jabbu/32/7446_2.png) [@jabbu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jabbu)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/6 "2008-09-26T11:20:25Z")
This is the same bullshit fox pulled on TW 2 years ago or whenever… TW has never lost broadcasting rights, they’ll reach an agreement soon. LOL @ the “fair market value” and about half the “facts” are just reworded to make them look good, their little commercials about TW not even talking to them is horseshiiiiat tw has never been a monopoly, any cable co can start building a headend and offer services in wny… the problem is the massive $$$ to build such is why we don’t have more cable co’s this is one of the reasons cable rates go up yearly ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/7 "2008-09-26T11:26:25Z")
As much as I hate TW, I can see their side about not wanting to pay to deliver programming you can get for free with an antenna. ---
**Author:** ![justa4door](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justa4door/32/7259_2.png) [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/8 "2008-09-26T11:26:57Z")
DISH ---
**Author:** ![JustinH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JustinH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JustinH)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/9 "2008-09-26T11:27:16Z")
Yeah right… Let them pull CBS… ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/10 "2008-09-26T11:27:35Z")
just read the list of programs missed. This will not effect me, Football is way to slow for me. Real men race or play hockey. Everything else that is listed sucks as a show. ---
**Author:** ![micah](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/micah/32/7257_2.png) [@micah](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/micah)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/11 "2008-09-26T11:30:25Z")
interesting ad placement there for verizon ---
**Author:** ![BooSting](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b19c9b/32.png) [@BooSting](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BooSting)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/12 "2008-09-26T11:30:29Z")
> [@Afrank45](#): > > this is just my opinion but id like some feedback > > this is a sports hungry area correct? and people are crazy for the bills and the bills are finally good so how would it be good business for TWC to cut bills games off??? > > i would think that would cause immediate upheaval of customers to dish…any thoughts isn’t this what happened with them & NFL network a little while back? i don’t have TW anyway > [@jabbu](#): > > This is the same bullshit fox pulled on TW 2 years ago or whenever… > > TW has never lost broadcasting rights, they’ll reach an agreement soon. > > LOL @ the “fair market value” and about half the “facts” are just reworded to make them look good, their little commercials about TW not even talking to them is horseshiiiiat > > tw has never been a monopoly, any cable co can start building a headend and offer services in wny… the problem is the massive $$$ to build such is why we don’t have more cable co’s > > this is one of the reasons cable rates go up yearly thats all well and great but convince the public of these things. ---
**Author:** ![jabbu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jabbu/32/7446_2.png) [@jabbu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jabbu)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/13 "2008-09-26T11:39:18Z")
By spending how much in commercials? Again, that’ll eventually come out of the subscribers pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Darksyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed655f/32.png) [@Darksyde](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darksyde)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/14 "2008-09-26T11:44:08Z")
All i’ll miss is the Bills game. I’ll either go to the game or be at a bar. I never even flip to 4. no loss here. But TW and WIVB will get a agreement. This will be a moot ad in a cpl weeks ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/15 "2008-09-26T12:05:43Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > As much as I hate TW, I can see their side about not wanting to pay to deliver programming you can get for free with an antenna. Yes, you can get it for free, but TW charges YOU to receive them on their cable… ---
**Author:** ![9c1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1/32/7392_2.png) [@9c1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/16 "2008-09-26T12:44:12Z")
Wonder why they mentioned Dish only and not DirecTV. ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/17 "2008-09-26T13:17:31Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > just read the list of programs missed. > This will not effect me, Football is way to slow for me. > Real men race or play hockey. > Everything else that is listed sucks as a show. why do u even talk? SHUT THE FUCK UP ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/18 "2008-09-26T13:18:02Z")
What about 2 and 7, do they pay them? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/19 "2008-09-26T13:42:36Z")
> [@97FormulaWS-6](#): > > Yes, you can get it for free, but TW charges YOU to receive them on their cable… No, DishNetwork charges ME for the channels I CAN’T get for free. To put it another way, if tomorrow all the channels I get on Dish were available for free on an antenna I wouldn’t be paying for Dish anymore. Or to put it yet another way, if tomorrow all Dish Network could offer me was my local channels, and expected me to pay for them, I’d cancel and use my antenna. To me all these providers are including your local channels for simple convenience. The penny per day, per station, per customer is pretty misleading. Time Warner picked up 3 million Adelphia subscribers. So that’s 60 cents a month, times 12 months, times 3 million people. So Lin wants a check for 21 million dollars a year for TW to rebroadcast something you can get for free? Something Lin is already getting big money to broadcast through advertising revenue? They should probably get something but that number seems a little high to me. ---
**Author:** ![98SS10](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/98ss10/32/7288_2.png) [@98SS10](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/98SS10)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542/20 "2008-09-26T16:04:44Z")
thats BS! If i miss CSI im gonna shoot up the local TW office!! wtf! the local news can spoon feed them selfs directly from my ass but if i cant watch some of my favorite shit with out running a fuckin coat hanger and foil im gonna lose my shit-I cant even do that after Feb 09! wtf! [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/notice-to-wivb-tv-and-wnlo-tv-viewers/55542.md?page=2)