# NY about to pass strictest gun laws in nation **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [January 15, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195 "2013-01-15T03:31:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/501 "2013-01-24T08:20:04Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > If we would just make murder illegal it would solve all these problems. But look at how well banning guns worked for Australia! This is right off the Australian government’s website. [http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html](http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html) ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/502 "2013-01-24T08:44:09Z")
Here I made these for you myself. Data from [http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls](http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls) [ATTACH=CONFIG]22868[/ATTACH] The federal assault weapons ban was from 1994 to 2004. Hard to make a strong case for any correlation given the big change in slope at 1999. The slope from 1993 to 1994 didn’t really change. But then again I’m preaching to the choir here. If you’re smart enough to still be tuned in you’ve probably already seen the statistics that assault weapons aren’t used in crime very often. And of course there doesn’t seem to be any place for facts and data in the national dialogue on gun control. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/503 "2013-01-24T10:36:40Z")
want to see an epic chart: ![http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18camj2qheoagjpg/original.jpg](http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18camj2qheoagjpg/original.jpg) > **[Internet Explorer vs Murder Rate Will Be Your Favorite Chart Today](https://gizmodo.com/5977989/internet-explorer-vs-murder-rate-will-be-your-favorite-chart-today)** > > Like its author says "I know correlation doesn't imply causation but..." But I think that, in this case, we may be onto something \[Twitter\] ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/504 "2013-01-24T10:59:21Z")
Switch to Chrome… for the children! ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/505 "2013-01-24T12:18:37Z")
> **[Democrats introduce expanded assault-weapons ban](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/24/democrats-reintroduce-assault-weapons-ban.html)** > > Congressional Democrats introduced a new and broader assault-weapons ban Thursday, in a vivid press conference that included a display of various weapons they want to outlaw.  Don’t hate the link, hate the game. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/506 "2013-01-24T12:45:50Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > want to see an epic chart: > > [Internet Explorer vs Murder Rate Will Be Your Favorite Chart Today](http://gizmodo.com/5977989/internet-explorer-vs-murder-rate-will-be-your-favorite-chart-today) lol 👏 ---
**Author:** ![Dekar12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@Dekar12](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dekar12)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/507 "2013-01-24T12:47:11Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Here I made these for you myself. Data from [FBI — Table 1](http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls) > > [ATTACH=CONFIG]22868[/ATTACH] > > The federal assault weapons ban was from 1994 to 2004. Hard to make a strong case for any correlation given the big change in slope at 1999. The slope from 1993 to 1994 didn’t really change. > > But then again I’m preaching to the choir here. If you’re smart enough to still be tuned in you’ve probably already seen the statistics that assault weapons aren’t used in crime very often. > > And of course there doesn’t seem to be any place for facts and data in the national dialogue on gun control. Awesome graphs. If the first ban was really doing something, we should have seen it spike up through the roof from 2004, right? At least they could have changed the data and made fake graphs to get their points across. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/508 "2013-01-24T12:55:36Z")
10 years with everything prior grandfathered in probably results in little to no change even if these were the guns being used for crime. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/509 "2013-01-24T23:33:04Z")
^Let’s ban animals. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/510 "2013-01-25T05:55:26Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > But look at how well banning guns worked for Australia! Or the Brits, whose violent crime statistics make Johannesburg look civil. [http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334904/violent-britain-charles-c-w-cooke](http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334904/violent-britain-charles-c-w-cooke) > **[Britain the most violent country in Europe and even worse than South Africa...](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html)** > > The figures from EC and UN reports come on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/511 "2013-01-25T06:25:40Z")
Sad that crime has been dropping steadily for decades, yet people still have media and politician fueled panic attacks every time something bad happens. Oh well. It’s just step 1 in the political process: Step 1. Keep telling people that there’s a problem. Don’t worry about facts. People are blind. The narrative just has to include most of the people. (Mass shootings in a suburb that wind up with fewer people dead than a typical week in Chicago is a great way to pull in a vast swath of the country that normally won’t believe they have a violence problem.) Step 2. Write a law. It doesn’t matter if it’s total nonsense since the problem it’s solving may or may not be real in the first place. You just have to make a big fucking deal about it. Use lots of scarcity (“The time is now”) and entitlement (“the people deserve”) and fear (passively suggest the alternative is death, such as by terrorists or pissed off 12 year olds with machine guns. It has to be passive. Don’t threaten with death, just promise safety and people will assume they are threatened.) Step 3. Throw yourself a fucking parade for solving the problem you created in Step 1. This is called campaigning for re-election. Step 4. This step is not public. Step 5. Profit. Steps 4 and 5 are optional. Power is enough for some. Is there lobbying in a politician’s past or future career? Yes? Then include steps 4 and 5. I should write a fucking book on this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Event](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/event/32/5443_2.png) [@Event](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Event)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/512 "2013-01-25T06:40:33Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > I should write a fucking book on this shit. I’d buy it. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/513 "2013-01-25T06:46:29Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Sad that crime has been dropping steadily for decades, yet people still have media and politician fueled panic attacks every time something bad happens. Oh well. It’s just step 1 in the political process: > > Step 1. Keep telling people that there’s a problem. Don’t worry about facts. People are blind. The narrative just has to include most of the people. (Mass shootings in a suburb that wind up with fewer people dead than a typical week in Chicago is a great way to pull in a vast swath of the country that normally won’t believe they have a violence problem.) > Step 2. Write a law. It doesn’t matter if it’s total nonsense since the problem it’s solving may or may not be real in the first place. You just have to make a big fucking deal about it. Use lots of scarcity (“The time is now”) and entitlement (“the people deserve”) and fear (passively suggest the alternative is death, such as by terrorists or pissed off 12 year olds with machine guns. It has to be passive. Don’t threaten with death, just promise safety and people will assume they are threatened.) > Step 3. Throw yourself a fucking parade for solving the problem you created in Step 1. This is called campaigning for re-election. > Step 4. This step is not public. > Step 5. Profit. > > Steps 4 and 5 are optional. Power is enough for some. Is there lobbying in a politician’s past or future career? Yes? Then include steps 4 and 5. > > I should write a fucking book on this shit. Fuck that. You should be running for public office. ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/514 "2013-01-25T07:19:49Z")
I think it would be funny for someone with half a fucking brain to follow Fry’s steps for politican success just to get in office, and then do REAL shit that’s of actual benefit lol ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/515 "2013-01-25T07:26:51Z")
That’s tempting as hell. Grin fuck the sheeple to get into office, then spend your term operating with zero career constraints offending everyone. You’d probably wind up office-spacing yourself into the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/516 "2013-01-25T07:36:53Z")
Hes got upper management written all over him ---
**Author:** ![Jim1234664](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jim1234664/32/7438_2.png) [@Jim1234664](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jim1234664)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/517 "2013-01-25T07:41:40Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > That’s tempting as hell. Grin fuck the sheeple to get into office, then spend your term operating with zero career constraints offending everyone. You’d probably wind up office-spacing yourself into the presidency. I’ve thought about it but if you arent willing to play ball good luck getting from assemblyman or something into any position of power. And then im sure you would get no party endorsements because you pissed off everyone locally (you would most likely stir up enough bad blood that skelos/silver/ect would hear about and black list you as well). The only way this would work is if you played along for years until you became governor or somehthing and then pulled a 180. But at that point there would probably be so many skeletons in your closet that someone would take you down. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/518 "2013-01-25T07:43:34Z")
Yeah that’s the deal breaker. Even as an elected official you can’t do shit on your own. Kind of like how Grisanti may have voted for the bill to get this in place before a bill that actually confiscated guns came up. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/519 "2013-01-25T08:03:37Z")
I swear the next “friend” that FB posts the MSNBC video from the day of the shooting where they say the AR15 was found in the trunk as “proof” an AR wasn’t used is getting punched in the throat if they’re within a 45 minute drive of Amherst. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/520 "2013-01-25T08:43:09Z")
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