# NY about to pass strictest gun laws in nation **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [January 15, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195 "2013-01-15T03:31:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 656
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195/656 "2013-02-11T09:56:36Z")
For those of you not following the law suit. > [@Sabres Vs. Tampa IN TAMPA! 12.5.06](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sabres-vs-tampa-in-tampa-12-5-06/19229/19): > > Hello everyone! > > I decided to join this forum because many people are interested in, and a few are perplexed, by the case currently underway here in Buffalo. I am here to answer any questions you have about the lawsuit, relay important developments, and dispel any misconceptions. I have the inside track on this case and I can fill you in why many decisions were made the way they were made. > > Before we go any further, I would like to address a few issues: > > 1. The tin foil hat crowd who believes that Tresmond is working with Cuomo to deliberately lose the lawsuit needs to get that idea out of their head immediately. Mr. Tresmond, a veteran of the US Navy and a lifelong gun owner, is doing no such thing. > > 2. Tresmond was approached by a group of long standing clients who expressed serious concerns over how the NY SAFE Act was going to affect them. Being a concerned civil rights attorney, he initially set out to do what you would expect a good and ethical lawyer to do - defend the rights of his clients. When they realized how many millions of New Yorkers have been affected by this law and how many people were afraid of prosecution, they (Tresmond and his staff) sent out a message for anyone who felt that they were being adversely affected by the law. They simply wanted to offer protection and assistance to innocent people who were being vilified by New York’s government. > > 3. The initial post, which was done by an assistant, made a slight mistake in the announcement of the case being an ex post facto challenge to the bill. While there is a case that would actually support the idea of a certain form of an ex post facto challenge, this is not at all part of the lawsuit. > > 4. This case was commenced an Article 78 Special Proceeding to avoid the problem of collateral estoppel (issue preclusion). In other words, this type of proceeding was chosen so that if Tresmond loses, even on the merits, the loss is localized and will not prevent future challenges to the bill. The folks working on this case are practicing attorneys and Constitutional scholars from around the country. They are not an special interest group, and they are not trying to diminish the good efforts of other gun rights groups to put an end to this anti-Constitutional rampage. > > 5. The legal team covered the filing fee. They never requested a single donation. > > If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. I will try my best to answer them. If I don’t have the answer, I’ll ask the legal team. > [@Maxb49"](#): > > The Tresmond case has the support of attorneys and professors from throughout New York State and America. There are Harvard educated Constitutional scholars assisting Mr. Tresmond in his approach, as well as other attorneys with impeccable backgrounds from other prestigious universities and law firms. Mr. Tresmond is well respected in Buffalo as an attorney who has defended his clients’ rights. For years he defended the rights of abused and neglected children. > > The attorneys and support staff on this case wish to maintain a low profile due to the highly sensitive nature of the case. They have not been identified because they, including Tresmond, wanted to keep the focus on taking out the law. The focus of the case was always about voiding an unconstitutional law, not making a profit or a name for anyone. The attorneys and academics have more access to resources and information for the upcoming memorandum of law, hearings, trials, etc. if they maintain there anonymity. So, it’s understandable that some may think this is one person handling this case alone. However, that impression simply isn’t the reality. > > It’s also important to note that so far, there is one and only one lawsuit against the SAFE Act. That’s here in Erie County. The phones are still ringing nonstop, with a great majority of the people calling in to voice their support from downstate. It’s our position that if other people want to hire lawyers to file lawsuits, that’s great. Tresmond and the NYSRPA both did the right thing by avoiding federal court. This gets things cleared up at the trial level within the next few months rather than the next few years. > > As far as costs go, the total cost has been the filing fees. The team best able to work anonymously; in doing so, they are not precluded or denied access to vast bodies of legal resources. In remaining unidentified, they’re able to interview and obtain inside information that they otherwise couldn’t get. > > The email response is in the tens of thousands. There is simply no way everyone will be able to get a personal response, as much as Tresmond and the others wish to reply. > > And, as far as hearing goes, the New York State Attorney General apparently didn’t feel comfortable going to court and asking for a summary dismissal on the 21st. The case obviously created a larger challenge for the State than they expected. It’s also important to note that the New York Attorney General has been very cordial and professional in this matter. In this respect, gun owners are much better off with a respected attorney like Tresmond arguing the case than an abrasive unknown person from out of town whom the courts and opposing parties may view as hostile. Hostility doesn’t win cases. Good arguments do. > [@Anybody here write?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-here-write/21024/5): > > Sure, I can give you some insight here. > > Erie County SCOPE has been a great help. They have supported Mr. Tresmond in garnering support for the action. He also has spoken to the group and will keep them personally updated as things develop. Erie County SCOPE extended their help almost immediately after the case was announced, Erie County Sherrif Tim Howard has also been in contact, as have other sheriffs and law enforcement agents around the state. > > **For that matter, the office has been contacted by assistant district attorneys, US Customs and Border Protection Officers, federal law enforcement agencies and other law enforcement personnelk requesting to be a part of this case. So, that should give you a picture of how much support the Buffalo lawsuit really has as opposed to what it may seem like from the limited perspective of Internet information.** > > As far as the attorneys, a number of them are from Western New York. Others are from Albany, New York City, Long Island, and other parts of the state. Others are from Chicago, Boston, Washington D.C., and universities throughout the country. There have already been Several coordinated meetings of everyone involved. > > The team is already compiling a cache of expert witnesses, including gunsmiths, gun dealers, and other experts to testify in court. I don’t think anyone expected this much, this quickly, but everyone has been working day and night so it’s nice to see things come together. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-about-to-pass-strictest-gun-laws-in-nation/228195)._