# NY does it again! Saving the children! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 1, 2013, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079 "2013-10-01T13:12:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/21 "2013-10-01T17:25:03Z")
What percentage of your fire claims are due to ANYONE child or not setting a fire with a lighter that is shaped like a gun? Don’t BS a number. Give strong facts and figures and I will believe you. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/22 "2013-10-02T05:38:24Z")
even without that we all know kids like to play with matches as it is… lighters in the shape of toys are just that much more tempting. but I’m still 50/50 on this whole thing because the other side of the coin is a little ugly also. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/23 "2013-10-02T05:46:01Z")
I’m just laughing picturing some poor bastard with a kitchen fire grabbing that lighter that looks like a fire extinguisher… “OH GOD DAMNIT!” ---
**Author:** ![piratemosh666](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/piratemosh666/32/6116_2.png) [@piratemosh666](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/piratemosh666)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/24 "2013-10-02T06:04:47Z")
Don’t we have better things to take care of, like getting the gov’t back to work? Err, …wait…we need less gov’t. Or something. I’m so confused. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/25 "2013-10-02T06:08:13Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > I felt that way too, but then I asked myself to give one good reason of why they are needed…none came available. No one needs a car that goes over 65 MPH. Give me one good reason. Just because there might not be a readily available “good reason to have something” doesnt mean we need to ban it. No one _needs_ cheesecake, but that shit is delicious. might as well outlaw everything but matches, as we really dont NEED lighters. No one NEEDS cell phones, might as well outlaw them. ---
**Author:** ![95dime](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/95dime/32/7514_2.png) [@95dime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95dime)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/26 "2013-10-02T06:24:54Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > Our government is overreaching as always. It needs to be scaled back so drastically on both a state and federal level that I am starting to think nothing is going to stop us from becoming a socialist country. REGISTER AND VOTE LIBERTARIAN IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN NOT DECIDE BETWEEN THE TWO PUPPETS ON THE STAGE. as much as its needed, it probably wont happen. being a “patriot” today would now mean “terrorist” with the laws they have put in place. IMO it already is a socialist country. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/27 "2013-10-02T06:52:34Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > even without that we all know kids like to play with matches as it is… lighters in the shape of toys are just that much more tempting. > > but I’m still 50/50 on this whole thing because the other side of the coin is a little ugly also. Again it’s on the parents. If you teach your kids that matches and lighters are for adults, they probably won’t play with them. I’m not just talking “lighters are bad mmmkay”. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/28 "2013-10-02T07:07:31Z")
All this nanny state bullshit means we’re guilty before proven innocent. America has been stuck in reverse for quite some time, if anything we should outlaw these bullshit laws. - - - Updated - - - > [@95dime](#): > > as much as its needed, it probably wont happen. being a “patriot” today would now mean “terrorist” with the laws they have put in place. IMO it already is a socialist country. Truth is treason in an empire of lies. Patriotism is indeed viewed as terrorism by just over 50% of our voting citizens. Fuckin mob rule! ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/29 "2013-10-02T07:11:47Z")
> [@Geehee](#): > > No one needs a car that goes over 65 MPH. Give me one good reason. > > Just because there might not be a readily available “good reason to have something” doesnt mean we need to ban it. > > No one _needs_ cheesecake, but that shit is delicious. > > might as well outlaw everything but matches, as we really dont NEED lighters. > > No one NEEDS cell phones, might as well outlaw them. I don’t disagree, but cheesecake in the wrong hands won’t kill people and neither will cell phones. Cars, yes, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m all for steps towards reducing the chance that a kid plays with a lighter that looks like a toy. Let’s face it, people who buy these probably don’t actually carry them around with them. They leave it at home, on a shelf or somewhere they can show their friends. That’s probably why they think kids have such easy access to them. At the end of the day, it’s about teaching kids about fire safety. How about instead of banning them, they make it a law that kids can’t graduate Kindergarden without passing a fire safety class or the parents have to complete it with their children. It is sad that it has cone to this, but it’s quite obvious that parents teaching their children anything in general is on a decline. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - [now Free](http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1) ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/30 "2013-10-02T07:45:10Z")
It’s an incendiary, it should be properly identified and labeled. Just as combustibles should be clearly labeled as such. I didn’t know what I was looking at from the picture alone. The demographic of adult that “has to have” these is the same demographic that poorly supervises their children. Now the problem that I have is: Let’s make these illegal AND reduce my homeowner’s insurance. Let’s make Fruit Loops and cheesecake illegal (or higher taxed) AND reduce my health care premiums. Let’s govern cars to 65 mph AND reduce my car insurance rates. The AND never happens. - - - Updated - - - > [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > If you guys saw the amount of fire claims I see on a monthly basis, you would understand why I see no problem with this. Now that these are illegal, and your fire claims are going to go down, how much are you reducing you homeowner insurance premiums by? ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/31 "2013-10-02T07:49:52Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Now that these are illegal, and your fire claims are going to go down, how much are you reducing you homeowner insurance premiums by? I’m just a broker, don’t have anything to do with rating premiums. I sell the insurance, that’s it. I do however see the claims go into the company, other than that, I don’t know anything about them. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/32 "2013-10-02T07:50:28Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Now that these are illegal, and your fire claims are going to go down, how much are you reducing you homeowner insurance premiums by? BOOM, headshot. ---
**Author:** ![piratemosh666](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/piratemosh666/32/6116_2.png) [@piratemosh666](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/piratemosh666)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/33 "2013-10-02T08:04:48Z")
^^I was just thinking that same exact thing. Just now. No kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/34 "2013-10-02T09:22:04Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > I don’t disagree, but cheesecake in the wrong hands won’t kill people and neither will cell phones. Cars, yes, but that’s a whole other issue. Heart disease? Cancer? Texting while driving? Talking while driving? Distracted driving? Having a heart attack thats a result of eating cheesecake while texting & driving on your way to the cancer center? We have to ban cancer centers now, its just too risky. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/35 "2013-10-02T09:43:52Z")
Ha. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/36 "2013-10-02T09:47:33Z")
DEATH BY CHEESECAKE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Oasis24-7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c89c15/32.png) [@Oasis24-7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oasis24-7)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/37 "2013-10-02T10:10:49Z")
People being numb to the increasing number of the useless banning of things, no matter how small is the real tragedy. Making it increasingly easier to pass ridiculous laws and waste countless money one step at a time! ---
**Author:** ![LUKE\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luke_l/32/7462_2.png) [@LUKE\_L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUKE_L)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/38 "2013-10-02T10:30:28Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’m just laughing picturing some poor bastard with a kitchen fire grabbing that lighter that looks like a fire extinguisher… “OH GOD DAMNIT!” **LOL!** ---
**Author:** ![BOBBYGRV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/39 "2013-10-02T11:14:39Z")
All this does is ban the sale and distribution in NYS. It’s not like they are illegal or even a punishable offense to own it. Half of you have probably never even bought one of these in your life anyways. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079/40 "2013-10-02T11:27:37Z")
> [@BOBBYGRV](#): > > All this does is ban the sale and distribution in NYS. It’s not like they are illegal or even a punishable offense to own it. Half of you have probably never even bought one of these in your life anyways. I don’t think anyone was debating what the law does or how it works. Most of us think its a flawed concept trying to ban XYZ item this doesn’t make any less lighters out there. I would love to know the stats around kids playing with “novelty lighters” that resulted in houses burning down vs playing with standard lighters. - - - Updated - - - Just checking the google quickly 1000 kids die each year in pools… 90 something people die each year from kids playing with fire…This was nation wide so split that between all the states and I wonder how many were caused by kids thinking the mini iphone was an iphone opened it and burnt the house down. Should we pass a law to fill in every pool if we can save 1 life? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-does-it-again-saving-the-children/233079.md?page=3)