# NY government coup... not the murdering kind, but it's a start **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924 "2009-06-10T06:19:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/21 "2009-06-10T13:05:34Z")
That’s the other one I love… watching all these Democrats cry about how Tommy G bought these two guys. So what would you call pouring all that money in to get Smith and several other Democrats elected to shift the power to the dems in the first place? I guess we can file that in the same folder as calling out what bad people Espada and Monserrate are only now that they’re not voting down party lines. They had no problem with them when they were part of the Democrat 32 vote majority. > [@Fry](#): > > So dumb it down for me since I don’t know much about state political proceedings. > > Does this mean that 2 of the three guys in the room deciding on the state budget just got bumped? Just one actually, Malcolm Smith. He’ll be replaced with Dean Skelos, Republican Nassau County. So in the room you’ll have Paterson sitting in Silver’s lap, as Silver pets his head like Dr Evil’s cat, and Skelos sitting across the desk with the biggest shit grin ever. More importantly, read the nypost article I linked earlier. It’s going to force the Democrats to confront the fact that the reforms they supposedly ran on and then refused to vote for are now being pushed by the Republicans. It puts the governor, and any other Democrat to stand against it, in a real ugly place come election time. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/22 "2009-06-10T13:21:01Z")
So what is this going to accomplish? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/23 "2009-06-10T13:23:32Z")
> Paterson was sweeping in his view of the situation. He called the coup “an insult to government” that disrupted the work of Albany. Yet, he did not offer support for Sen. Malcolm Smith, who had been majority leader until Monday’s takeover. Smith is fighting for his political survival this afternoon, with lawmakers saying he will not be able to even serve as minority leader in the new environment at the Capitol. > > **And then Paterson talked of new opportunities that could be created by the coup, siding with Espada’s idea of letting bills to the floor for a straight up or down vote. The governor said then he and the Senate could go to the Democratic Assembly “and ask them to join in” in letting members have the power to vote on all kinds of bills and not just the ones leadership lets to the floor.** > > That Paterson would put the issue into the lap of the Assembly could be interpreted in the halls of the Capitol as a slap at Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, who rules the house with great control. Imagine a state where Sheldon Silver doesn’t decide what all the representatives voted from other parts of the state get to vote on. [http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/699096.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/699096.html) Things like Medicaid reform don’t happen not because of a lack of majority vote, but because Silver never lets it come to a vote. Listen, there is a reason why I’m willing to let a couple scumbags like Espada and Monserrate crawl into bed with my party. It’s one of those, “the ends justify the means” things. If this results in changes that mean any bill can be brought for an up or down vote it will be the biggest reform NY has ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/24 "2009-06-10T13:26:48Z")
Wait, this guy wants a Republican Senate so he can legalize gay marriage? WAT? > The new leader added that legalizing gay marriage “is my signature issue at this point.” Espada is actively trying to woo Sen. Thomas Duane, a Manhattan Democrat who is pushing the gay marriage bill, to join with him and the Republicans in running the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/25 "2009-06-10T13:28:10Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Wait, this guy wants a Republican Senate so he can legalize gay marraige? WAT? The Republicans have promised they’ll let it go to a vote. They didn’t say they’ll vote for it, but unlike Silver and Smith’s version of democracy where only bills they want and know will pass getting to the floor, they’re willing to say, “go put your name on the vote and let democracy work”. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/26 "2009-06-10T13:32:48Z")
Maybe a couple of them are going to vote for it as part of the deal. I can’t see him making the switch to the R side because he’s really THAT excited to see his bill get shot down by them. Hmm. If so, then go for it, I don’t care what party pushes through the agenda I’m in favor of, as long as it passes. Anything to get people to actually come to NY by choice. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/27 "2009-06-10T13:39:51Z")
I’m waiting to see where Bill Stachowski ends up if this coup survives. He barely won his seat and the people he represents are not big on the NYC agenda that his party has been pushing. His career is over if he stands his ground in trying to block the reforms being pushed by the Republicans. He’s one they are definitely pursuing to join the coalition. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/28 "2009-06-11T16:22:37Z")
:lol: Monserrate is apparently holding out for the highest bidder. > **[G.O.P. Coalition in Albany Finds Senate Keys, but Fails To Get Session Restarted](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/nyregion/12albany.html?partner=rss&emc=rss)** > > The balance of power rests in large part with Hiram Monserrate, a Democratic defector who also happens to be accused of slashing a companion with broken glass. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/29 "2009-06-11T16:23:17Z")
At least NYS is finding a creative new way to get absolutely nothing done. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/30 "2009-06-16T13:51:01Z")
Oh man, you think nothing got done before… > **[Judge Refuses to Reverse G.O.P. Senate Coup in Albany](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/nyregion/17albany.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ref=nyregion)** > > A judge ruled that it would be an improper intrusion to settle an internal matter of legislative governance. The judge threw out the dems’ lawsuit to regain control. Once they fired Malcolm Smith as their leader and picked a new guy, Montserrate switched back to the democratic side. Now we’re at a 31 to 31 tie. Great, our state constitution has a provision for this. The lieutenant governor breaks the tie. Oh wait, we don’t have one. We need 32 votes to affirm the new leadership, or to reinstate the old. Um… :fail: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/31 "2009-07-10T06:47:42Z")
[http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/senate-impasse-ends-with-reconciliation/](http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/senate-impasse-ends-with-reconciliation/) After all that, we ended up where we started. Except that the guy who gridlocked the Senate for the last month is now the majority leader. Oh, and we may or may not have a lieutenant governor now. [http://www.nydailynews.com/ny\_local/2009/07/10/2009-07-10\_battle\_over\_lt\_gov\_heads\_to\_court.html](http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/07/10/2009-07-10_battle_over_lt_gov_heads_to_court.html) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/32 "2009-07-10T06:53:31Z")
Patterson is such an idiot. He called a bunch of state constitutional law experts and they all told him he couldn’t appoint a lieutenant governor, including one of the top NY constitutional law experts right here in WNY. So the governor keeps searching until he finds some idiot that agrees with him and does it anyway. I heard last night that part of the deal was to keep the changes the coup made regarding bringing bills to the floor, but as soon as the democrats set the new agenda that was conveniently missing and now they’re claiming it was never part of the deal. So we’re back to 3 democrats in a room deciding everything for the state. :tup: Keep voting dem NY… this is what you get. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/33 "2009-07-10T07:10:21Z")
Cuomo is breaking ranks and coming out against it saying it’s illegal. I’m hoping he uses it as his excuse to primary challenge Paterson without pissing off a bunch of minorities. If he runs, he’ll win the primary and the general easily. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/34 "2009-07-10T07:30:21Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Why can’t every NY state union member catch gonorrhea and die. Fixed for the true problem that has a financial strangle hold on the state. Patterson tired to cut costs but… Taxing the rich may work on a Federal level but it won’t work on a state level where they have options (See Galisano). ---
**Author:** ![PureXTC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/purextc/32/5223_2.png) [@PureXTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PureXTC)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/35 "2009-07-10T07:32:56Z")
People will still vote for these losers ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/36 "2009-07-10T07:44:31Z")
> [@PureXTC](#): > > People will still vote for these losers They have enough union membership(voters) that the rest of us are their bitches. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/37 "2009-07-10T10:25:41Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > At least NYS is finding a creative new way to get absolutely nothing done. rofl. “come to our side. bigger desk…lots of pens…clickey ones too” ---
**Author:** ![blk99z28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@blk99z28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blk99z28)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/38 "2009-07-10T10:36:42Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Cuomo … If he runs, he’ll win the primary and the general easily. not if Guliani runs againt him. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/39 "2009-07-10T10:39:52Z")
Yep. If Giuliani runs against him. Polls show that race at Cuomo 55, Giuliani 38. We’re in a blue state and giuliani has a lot of character issues. ---
**Author:** ![blk99z28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@blk99z28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blk99z28)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924/40 "2009-07-10T10:56:36Z")
Polls 16 months ahead of time mean shit. NYC still loves Guliani. Blue state or not, the dems are pissing a lot of people off. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ny-government-coup-not-the-murdering-kind-but-its-a-start/68924.md?page=3)