# NYSI second opinion **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 23, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nysi-second-opinion/47294 "2008-04-23T12:38:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Pauly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pauly/32/7493_2.png) [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nysi-second-opinion/47294/21 "2008-04-23T14:30:43Z")
> [@943kgt](#): > > car does have to hold an alignment, and if the balljoints are bad enough it cant. visually out of alignment. not by a machine. they dropped the scuff plate like 20 years ago ---
**Author:** ![FightinMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@FightinMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FightinMike)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nysi-second-opinion/47294/22 "2008-04-26T11:17:16Z")
Massive:tup: to Carnut and ubengineering. Thanks dudes. ---
**Author:** ![reliant\_turbo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/reliant_turbo/32/7189_2.png) [@reliant\_turbo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/reliant_turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nysi-second-opinion/47294/23 "2008-04-26T21:37:15Z")
cool. i hate shops that fuss over small stuff when inspecting. I take my car to those kind of shops for alignments but for inspections, i take them to the lazy shops. 🙂 Brian ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nysi-second-opinion/47294/24 "2008-04-26T21:53:24Z")
> [@Pauly](#): > > Oh great the balljoint thing. > wanna know why balljoints are not part of inspection- 2 reasons > > 1. theres no factory spec for what is allowable wear. > 2. back in the 60’s-70’s ball joints were part of inspection. Know what the inspectors did- they put a friggen 3 foot pry bar to the suspension and said see it’s bad. If you take a 3 foot pry bar to anything that has to have some play so it can move/swivel i’m pretty sure its gonna move. Thanks for the input. I am a NYSI. I understand. There is a spec for ball joints, it just depends on the kind of car you are working on. GM products for example have a spec. Either way, a ball joint that is worn can cause considerable harm to the driver and others if it fails while driving. Do you agree? ---
**Author:** ![Pauly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pauly/32/7493_2.png) [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nysi-second-opinion/47294/25 "2008-04-27T03:17:35Z")
BJ’s are dangerous, I do agree with you. I wrenched on cars during the days of Ford LTD’s comming apart. And have seen others come apart. Since the days of the wear indicator balljoints (GM) left, i have never seen a gm BJ spec. And I’ve looked. I would be extremely interested if you can find one. I have agrued the balljoint thing with my superiors in albany. I was told there is no spec, I said sure there is (as i recall a moog chart hanging on a wall) so i looked. and damnit i couldnt find one. Theres other nuts things missing from inspection. A car doesnt need a seat to pass an inspection. needs a seat belt but no seat. I had a car in my shop years ago that the front mounting for the seat was broken, said to myself this has to be rejectable. Call DMV and looked in the book-Nothing. I even recall someone at dmv saying it can have a milk crate as long as the seat belt is there. Heres another- rear wheel bearings are not part. why?? I’m realistic i dont agree with everything in the program. Matter of fact i think we should do away with the VIP system and use IM240 if clean air is the goal. If you can find a spec i really would be interested. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nysi-second-opinion/47294.md?page=1)