# NYSPEED fantasy chumpcar build **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 21, 2015, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734 "2015-02-21T09:20:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/21 "2015-02-23T08:26:57Z")
I would certainly be able to help with a 5.3 swap. It is too easy really. So not that I want you to cheat but how do they know you havent changed the cam, ported heads, bored cylinders in these things? ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/22 "2015-02-23T09:53:57Z")
first you have tech inspection that catches everything obvious, then if you place in the top 5 they impound the cars in pit row. you have to put the car on jackstands, pull the wheels etc, and anybody can pay $50 to challenge your car. If you’re found in violation they get their $50 back and you get disqualified and shamed (people will always question your team or car in the future). plenty of intentional and unintentional cheating takes place, but for the post part front runner teams want to win fairly. 5.3 motors are super attractive in theory, but I don’t think I’ve seen one yet. people struggle to find the right car (or maybe even an S10) to put them into. knowing you need a large gas tank is the challenge. people do bring big 60s-70s muscle cars to chump from time to time, but it’s hard to make them survive 8+ hours of non-stop racing while beating something like a bmw e36 325. every time the day starts with them raping everything, but by mid day they’re in the pits never to be seen again. - - - Updated - - - > [@jimmyfloyd](#): > > Is there a penalty if the motor chosen uses a Turbo or Supercharger from the factory? cars that come with trubos and SC can do pretty well, but swapping them into other cars is almost impossible the way the rules are written. It bring too much speed creep. some winning cars: early 9-3 saab turbo, volvo 940, DSM turbo, 80s mustang SVO. They all struggle for reliability and making it two hours on fuel. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/23 "2015-02-23T11:25:48Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > 5.3 motors are super attractive in theory, but I don’t think I’ve seen one yet. I’m guessing because of fuel economy issues. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/24 "2015-02-23T11:31:31Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > first you have tech inspection that catches everything obvious, then if you place in the top 5 they impound the cars in pit row. you have to put the car on jackstands, pull the wheels etc, and anybody can pay $50 to challenge your car. If you’re found in violation they get their $50 back and you get disqualified and shamed (people will always question your team or car in the future). > > plenty of intentional and unintentional cheating takes place, but for the post part front runner teams want to win fairly. > > 5.3 motors are super attractive in theory, but I don’t think I’ve seen one yet. > > people struggle to find the right car (or maybe even an S10) to put them into. knowing you need a large gas tank is the challenge. > > people do bring big 60s-70s muscle cars to chump from time to time, but it’s hard to make them survive 8+ hours of non-stop racing while beating something like a bmw e36 325. every time the day starts with them raping everything, but by mid day they’re in the pits never to be seen again. > > - > - > - Updated - - - > > cars that come with trubos and SC can do pretty well, but swapping them into other cars is almost impossible the way the rules are written. It bring too much speed creep. > > some winning cars: early 9-3 saab turbo, volvo 940, DSM turbo, 80s mustang SVO. They all struggle for reliability and making it two hours on fuel. So they still wouldnt see any of that stuff lol > [@JayS](#): > > I’m guessing because of fuel economy issues. Probably this. They get good cruising MPG but at sustained high rpm eesh i dont know about that ---
**Author:** ![jimmyfloyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmyfloyd/32/3077_2.png) [@jimmyfloyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jimmyfloyd)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/25 "2015-02-23T11:32:40Z")
I was wondering about using a 3.8L SC motor. They can be had cheaper, usually good on gas, and probably could be used in a V6 camaro or maybe a fiero/MR2. To get one running, you just need 4 wires out of the original harness I believe. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/26 "2015-02-23T11:43:04Z")
you have to remember that there is no low rpm cruising so an S/C living at 6000rpms is likely worse than any turbo or V8 on fuel burn. - - - Updated - - - > [@cougarspeed](#): > > So they still wouldnt see any of that stuff lol again, you can cheat, but for what point. I think most cheating is done with things that add reliability like custom oil pan setups, stronger transmissions and internals. there are so many engineers from the auto industry and car nerds like you that will spot just about anything because they know how they would cheat if they had your car. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalSterm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/originalsterm/32/4964_2.png) [@OriginalSterm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OriginalSterm)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/27 "2015-02-25T04:35:09Z")
When thinking about fuel tanks, you really have to go beyond your typical sport(y) cars. A lot of European cars and domestic “luxury” cars come with larger fuel tanks, this is a good place to start looking. I believe some of the Mercury branded cars that have Ford equivalents come with a slightly larger fuel tank, just because of the “luxury” direction they were taking with that particular model. We aren’t typically looking at high end sports cars to start from, so don’t eliminate highway cruisers just because. The Saabs interest me because they have a pretty descent aerodynamic starting point, probably helps with speed on larger tracks and fuel economy. I don’t know of too many big engine swaps for them however… ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/28 "2015-02-25T05:29:37Z")
yeah, there is that one mercury which is basically a mustang gt that has done really well in chump. the golden ticket, I feel, is to find that miata sized car with a 20 gallon tank, it would destroy. ---
**Author:** ![svtcobra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@svtcobra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/svtcobra)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/29 "2015-02-25T05:32:01Z")
what about using a 2wd 1/2 ton pickup truck, big tank, swap in a cummins, fuel mileage and smoke screen when you floor it [#rollcoal](http://www.nyspeed.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=rollcoal) ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/30 "2015-02-25T05:41:41Z")
Lexus SC300 has something like a 20 Gallon gas tank and has an NA 2JZ motor…that’s got to be a decent starting point. $1600 [http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/4892096732.html](http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/4892096732.html) edit: looks like I’m not the first one to think of it, as I see some build threads out there in the ether, but I still think it’s a good starting point. The one I saw was weighed in right under 3k lbs, requires no swap and has the large tank. That means you have more points to spread around making the rest of the car better (suspension/brakes/engine mods). ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/31 "2015-02-25T07:29:51Z")
sc300/400 is an interesting one. it’s valued much lower than the NA supra and a lot of people are concerned they might bump the value in the future. I agree it’s a great choice. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/32 "2015-02-25T08:44:41Z")
My “curious how it would do” car is a 2004 I35 + Spec-V tranmission + Q45 brakes. I am really, really, really surprised you haven’t done it yet. It’s 60 to 100 and 120 times are a few seconds faster than the 325s, it would lose car lengths under braking, but gain bus lengths in corner exit and straights. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/33 "2015-02-25T08:48:01Z")
now that’s an interesting one… can it last on fuel? ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/34 "2015-02-25T09:03:26Z")
18.5 gal tank ---
**Author:** ![jimmyfloyd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jimmyfloyd/32/3077_2.png) [@jimmyfloyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jimmyfloyd)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/35 "2015-02-26T07:43:15Z")
Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler Conquest or Mitsubishi Starion. Narrow body is 350, wide body is 425 to start. Motor and trans swap will be 75 pts base. Using a 5.0L from the explorer and a T5 from a thunderbird should net you a near 0 point swap. Could also swap a 4g63 DOHC in using a D50 trans, but not sure where that lands you on the scale for points. They came with 19.2 gallon gas tanks. And with weight reduction, they can be brought down pretty light. Using an 82-85 will give you room to move up, but if you use a later one, you may be able to start with better suspension components. All of them had Turbo charged motors, so no 100 point penalty for that either. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/36 "2015-02-26T07:57:56Z")
Reading this PDF with all the rules is amazing ---
**Author:** ![LUC1F3R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luc1f3r/32/7299_2.png) [@LUC1F3R](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUC1F3R)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/37 "2015-02-26T08:18:30Z")
> [@jimmyfloyd](#): > > Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler Conquest or Mitsubishi Starion. Narrow body is 350, wide body is 425 to start. > > Motor and trans swap will be 75 pts base. Using a 5.0L from the explorer and a T5 from a thunderbird should net you a near 0 point swap. > > Could also swap a 4g63 DOHC in using a D50 trans, but not sure where that lands you on the scale for points. > > They came with 19.2 gallon gas tanks. > > And with weight reduction, they can be brought down pretty light. > > Using an 82-85 will give you room to move up, but if you use a later one, you may be able to start with better suspension components. > > All of them had Turbo charged motors, so no 100 point penalty for that either. I think this or 240sx. Both of them are fairly light, rwd and have large tanks. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/38 "2015-02-26T09:24:39Z")
conquest is an interesting one… I like the gas tank size. I wonder what the motor out value looks like. - - - Updated - - - > [@LZ](#): > > Reading this PDF with all the rules is amazing amazing fun or amazing crazy? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/39 "2015-02-26T09:40:02Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > amazing fun or amazing crazy? Both I feel like it would be hilarious to call people out on random from it ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734/40 "2015-02-26T09:50:27Z")
An A33 will have a few hundred pounds on a B15, but you get the idea: [https://youtu.be/LmMlvJ5lGrM](https://youtu.be/LmMlvJ5lGrM) [https://youtu.be/b02RvsNOW1k](https://youtu.be/b02RvsNOW1k) [https://youtu.be/0XMlfE1JeJ4](https://youtu.be/0XMlfE1JeJ4) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-fantasy-chumpcar-build/271734.md?page=3)