# Obama and Guns v.Buffalo News **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [April 13, 2009, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062 "2009-04-13T09:19:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/61 "2009-04-14T08:43:22Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > They should take our guns… civilians have no need for them Ugh… > [@khoveraki](#): > > :picard: because they’re going to take the guns away from the national guard. let’s not wax poetic about one of the most outdated parts of the constitution. It’s not outdated. The Supreme Court just ruled on it last year. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/62 "2009-04-14T09:07:30Z")
^Was ILC joking? ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/63 "2009-04-14T09:09:18Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > ^Was ILC joking? I can’t tell. He reposted with similar material, but I can’t tell if he’s srs or just trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/64 "2009-04-14T09:10:51Z")
We need scalia to drop dead and Obama to appoint an uber-liberal of the pro-gun variety. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/65 "2009-04-14T09:13:06Z")
I just hate when someone says “Pistols aren’t illegal”, well of course they aren’t. I just had to. 1. Pay over $200 in state fees 2. Get finger printed, photoed and questioned 3. Fill out massive amounts of paper work 4. Talk to a special agent for 1 hour on the phone 5. Get all that paper work notarized 6. Get reference letters 7. Have those said reference letters notarized w/ both parties there in person 8. Wait 11 months for NYS state to get there shit in gear 9. Go downtown with my acceptance letter, pay more $$ additionally and get photographed again, to wait 5-6 weeks for my license to arrive in the mail. Of course I would love it they added some additional steps there. Maybe you should have to give them a DNA sample and maybe a child? Think about this. I can go downtown and buy an unregistered .38 snub for $80. Easier route? Oh here in Texas all you need is your driver’s license to get a pistol. Though a driver’s licenses is a little harder to get here then NYS. You must get finger printed for it which they do at the DMV for free when you get your license. Oh and they don’t use ink like fggt NYS, they have electronic readers. I enjoy target shooting, and I feel I have the right to be able to do it. Both sides have Catch-22s about them. So it really is hard to justify one more so then the other. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/66 "2009-04-14T09:15:28Z")
A happy medium between those 2 is ideal. Making people wait a year for a gun is the suck, but it’s better than letting billy joe whackjob pick up a .45 at Wal-Mart to go “target shooting”. With human targets. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/67 "2009-04-14T09:17:25Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > I just hate when someone says “Pistols aren’t illegal”, well of course they aren’t. > > I just had to. > > 1. Pay over $200 in state fees > 2. Get finger printed, photoed and questioned > 3. Fill out massive amounts of paper work > 4. Talk to a special agent for 1 hour on the phone > 5. Get all that paper work notarized > 6. Get reference letters > 7. Have those said reference letters notarized w/ both parties there in person > 8. Wait 11 months for NYS state to get there shit in gear > 9. Go downtown with my acceptance letter, pay more $$ additionally and get photographed again, to wait 5-6 weeks for my license to arrive in the mail. > > Of course I would love it they added some additional steps there. Maybe you should have to give them a DNA sample and maybe a child? > > Think about this. I can go downtown and buy an unregistered .38 snub for $80. > > Easier route? > > Oh here in Texas all you need is your driver’s license to get a pistol. Though a driver’s licenses is a little harder to get here then NYS. You must get finger printed for it which they do at the DMV for free when you get your license. Oh and they don’t use ink like fggt NYS, they have electronic readers. > > I enjoy target shooting, and I feel I have the right to be able to do it. > > Both sides have Catch-22s about them. So it really is hard to justify one more so then the other. “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Sounds like infringement to me. Rights don’t cost money. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/68 "2009-04-14T09:29:57Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” > Sounds like infringement to me. Rights don’t cost money. Oh don’t you get it? The right didn’t cost me **anything.** It was the photos, finger printing, and processing that **cost** me. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/69 "2009-04-14T09:30:31Z")
Yeah right? (shakes head) ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/70 "2009-04-14T09:34:53Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Yeah right? (shakes head) A restaurant my not charge you for water, but they sure can charge you for the cup. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/71 "2009-04-14T09:40:50Z")
NY may be too strict. But Texas is too laxed. There should be a happy medium. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/72 "2009-04-14T11:18:36Z")
I really only have two problems with the handgun system in NY. 1. The time it takes. A year or more is complete bullshit in this day and age of near instant background checks. They take year to discourage people from bothering to apply. It should take a month at the most and for every day past that month the state should be fined $XX for violating your 2nd amendment rights. 2. The fact that they will only give you target and hunting, then 2-3 years later let you apply for concealed carry. If after a year of probing my background, interviewing me with my local PD and talking to four character references you can’t find any reason I shouldn’t own a handgun don’t tell me I can’t carry it. These are both county issues though, not state. I really don’t care about the cost. I’ve got about $170 invested in the process right now and I think that’s fair. If $170 is that much of a hardship what handguns do you honestly think you can afford? ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/73 "2009-04-14T12:10:42Z")
^ You’re right about it being a PITA deterring people from applying. I’ve had my papers filled out and ready to go for over a year and I keep putting it off due to the cost and hassle. That and it’s just not that important to me at this point in my life. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/74 "2009-04-14T12:20:24Z")
I think the handgun system in niagara county would be reasonable to push out nationwide. Maybe a little more expedited where it was promised within a month. I also think people should start hitting Collins to try to address the erie county system. He’s a Republican and he ran on making Erie County more like a business, and less bureaucratic red tape. Our current process is red tape and a clear case where the business is doing an inadequate job. Let’s see him put his money where his mouth is. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/75 "2009-04-14T12:25:00Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I also think people should start hitting Collins to try to address the erie county system. He’s a Republican and he ran on making Erie County more like a business, and less bureaucratic red tape. Our current process is red tape and a clear case where the business is doing an inadequate job. Let’s see him put his money where his mouth is. He’s got bigger fish to fry… [http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/639121.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/639121.html) And apparently is willing to put his money where his mouth is. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/76 "2009-04-14T12:33:19Z")
yes why address the county being screwed when you can campaign against the people you have to work with every day. I don’t know the other 2 but I knew Poloncarz from when I was at Canisius and he’s a stand up guy. Collins’ problem with him is that he’s too fiscally responsible and audits collins’ purchases too much. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/77 "2009-04-14T12:39:20Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > He’s got bigger fish to fry… > > [http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/639121.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/639121.html) > > And apparently is willing to put his money where his mouth is. 😉 Good read. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/78 "2009-04-14T12:41:26Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > yes why address the county being screwed when you can campaign against the people you have to work with every day. Hard to change much when you have obstructionists in your way. The only way to effect change in a political landscape like NY is to remove the obstructions. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/79 "2009-04-14T15:05:17Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Hard to change much when you have obstructionists in your way. You hit the nail on the head with that one. Ideologues, whether in Washington or Albany are useless people. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/80 "2009-04-14T15:39:17Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Hard to change much when you have obstructionists in your way. :word: It’s a shame that after Franken is seated we’ll effectively have one republican senator stalling the nation’s progress for the next year and a half. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062.md?page=5)