# Obama and Guns v.Buffalo News **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [April 13, 2009, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062 "2009-04-13T09:19:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/81 "2009-04-15T09:03:04Z")
Front page of the NYT today has an article about people smuggling guns from the US into MEX. There are a number of good arguments for and against changing _our_ laws to try to remedy this. What do you think? Is the fact that Mexican criminals are using guns obtained in the US to commit crime in Mexico enough to change our domestic policies? Should we change our laws/limit our freedoms in reaction to a “Mexican” problem? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/82 "2009-04-15T09:04:46Z")
I think we change our drug laws and take away the cartel’s market, let them wither on the vine with their money supply cut off. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/83 "2009-04-15T09:08:50Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I think we change our drug laws and take away the cartel’s market, let them wither on the vine with their money supply cut off. I hope to someday see this become politically viable. I feel it is a popular sentiment and has a strong intellectual backing, just our politicians are too cowardly to even attempt a serious reform along this line of thought. The Economist has written a few very persuasive features on this topic. > **[How to stop the drug wars](https://www.economist.com/leaders/2009/03/05/how-to-stop-the-drug-wars)** > > Prohibition has failed; legalisation is the least bad solution ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/84 "2009-04-15T09:22:12Z")
it’s just a manner of swaying the ignorant masses because the guy running against any candidate proposing to do so would be inundated with ads “Mr. XXX Supports DRUG DEALERS! He wants everyone to smoke crack!” blah blah blah, when he’d actually be doing the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/85 "2009-04-15T09:30:04Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > it’s just a manner of swaying the ignorant masses because the guy running against any candidate proposing to do so would be inundated with ads “Mr. XXX Supports DRUG DEALERS! He wants everyone to smoke crack!” blah blah blah, when he’d actually be doing the contrary. I really believe the heart and minds of the people would be in favor of this. The problem comes in with peoples pretensions and insecurities on the subject. “I’m for legalizing marijuana, just don’t let my neighbor know”, mentality. Even though their neighbor thinks the same way. The argument also has to be explained properly and stripped of the politics and rhetoric that inundates our current conversation regarding the war on drugs. The Economist article I posted really does a good job of this. ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/86 "2009-04-15T09:30:35Z")
> Federal agents say about 90 percent of the 12,000 pistols and rifles the Mexican authorities recovered from drug dealers last year and asked to be traced came from dealers in the United States, most of them in Texas and Arizona. Pretty sure the ATF confirmed it was 17%, not 90%. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/87 "2009-04-15T09:32:37Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > I really believe the heart and minds of the people would be in favor of this. The problem comes in with peoples pretensions and insecurities on the subject. “I’m for legalizing marijuana, just don’t let my neighbor know”, mentality. Even though their neighbor thinks the same way. The argument also has to be explained properly and stripped of the politics and rhetoric that inundates our current conversation regarding the war on drugs. The Economist article I posted really does a good job of this. I wholeheartedly agree. But 40% of this country thinks Obama is a Muslim and Saddam caused 9/11 and the Economist is for elitists in Massachussets. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/88 "2009-04-15T09:34:03Z")
Link to NTY article I referenced earlier. [http://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+Stymied+as+Guns+Flow+to+Mexican+Cartels&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a](http://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+Stymied+as+Guns+Flow+to+Mexican+Cartels&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/89 "2009-04-15T10:14:34Z")
> [@Eazy716](#): > > Pretty sure the ATF confirmed it was 17%, not 90%. Thats still close to 1 out of 5. But yeah 90% seems a bit high. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/90 "2009-04-15T10:18:14Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > Should we change our laws/limit our freedoms in reaction to a “Mexican” problem? Here’s a wacky idea. Maybe we should **SECURE OUR FUCKING BORDERS?!?!?!?** Obama’s looking for ways to pour money into the economy by putting people to work. Between building a big wall topped with razor wire and motion detectors and hiring enough border patrol to patrol the wall I think that would put lots of people to work. Call me crazy though. We sure don’t want to secure our border and put people to work. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/91 "2009-04-15T10:23:43Z")
that’s actually a hell of an idea. I hope there’s some projects in the stimulus to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/92 "2009-04-15T10:27:21Z")
The only reason that article was in the NYT is because Hillary was apologizing to Mexico last week for the US supplying them with assault rifles. It is all apart of us apologizing to the world for everything. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/93 "2009-04-15T11:21:55Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > The only reason that article was in the NYT is because Hillary was apologizing to Mexico last week for the US supplying them with assault rifles. It is all apart of us apologizing to the world for everything. A little humility goes a long way. Or are you one of those guys that thinks the US can do not wrong and therefor recognizing mistakes shows weakness? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/94 "2009-04-15T11:59:00Z")
How about we work out a trade with Mexico? They take back all their Mexicans, we’ll take back all our guns. Then we’ll put up the wall I described earlier. Once that’s done we’ll banish StrokedZ to stand on the wall and apologize for what ever he wants for the next 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/95 "2009-04-15T12:01:34Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > How about we work out a trade with Mexico? > > They take back all their Mexicans, we’ll take back all our guns. Then we’ll put up the wall I described earlier. > > Once that’s done we’ll banish StrokedZ to stand on the wall and apologize for what ever he wants for the next 4 years. Love this idea! ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/96 "2009-04-15T12:14:23Z")
I love GA laws…just put a pistol on lay-a-way till I can pick it up sat…jsut walk in and out in 20 minutes! And I agrees 2 posts up with the mexican exchange for guns thing. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/97 "2009-04-15T12:34:21Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > A little humility goes a long way. Or are you one of those guys that thinks the US can do not wrong and therefor recognizing mistakes shows weakness? WTF are you even talking about?!?! We should show humility because Mexico does not care/check what is coming into their country. SERIOUSLY? Now that should be our responsibilty too? Wow. Maybe it would be better to just open the boarder so I could hire their people leagally too. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/98 "2009-04-15T12:46:40Z")
Blue Eyes, short of coming to your house with a check for all of the taxes you’ve ever paid, what could Obama possibly do that you wouldn’t bitch at? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/99 "2009-04-15T12:47:23Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > How about we work out a trade with Mexico? > > They take back all their Mexicans, we’ll take back all our guns. Then we’ll put up the wall I described earlier. > > Once that’s done we’ll banish StrokedZ to stand on the wall and apologize for what ever he wants for the next 4 years. Build a wall made of dead illegal Mexicans. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062/100 "2009-04-15T12:48:27Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Blue Eyes, short of coming to your house with a check for all of the taxes you’ve ever paid, what could Obama possibly do that you wouldn’t bitch at? Stop the world tour of apologies and fix our fucking economy. He can start by building the wall. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-and-guns-v-buffalo-news/66062.md?page=6)