# Obama appoints RIAA lawyers... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 7, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885 "2009-01-07T06:27:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/1 "2009-01-07T06:27:49Z")
to a seat in the justice department and as deputy attorney general :picard::picard::picard::picard::picard::picard: [http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MzcxMjAsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=](http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MzcxMjAsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=) > **[Obama picks RIAA's favorite lawyer for a top Justice post](https://www.cnet.com/news/obama-picks-riaas-favorite-lawyer-for-a-top-justice-post/)** > > A courtroom lawyer who has sued individual file swappers in multiple federal courts is President-elect Barack Obama's choice for a top Justice Department position. change is on the way ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/2 "2009-01-07T06:43:06Z")
:lol: Don’t worry, with that extra [$20 per paycheck you’ll be getting](http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=262340&src=110) from his world changing middle class tax cuts you’ll be able to buy your music now. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/3 "2009-01-07T07:10:58Z")
:picard: x a bajillion ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/4 "2009-01-07T07:20:58Z")
> Many of Mr. Obama’s picks in other cabinet departments have taken on a decidedly centrist bent. But at the Justice Department, where controversial Bush administration policies like interrogation tactics and eavesdropping will come under review, the nomination of Eric H. Holder Jr. as attorney general last month and Monday’s selections of four top aides suggested a strong effort to stake out a new direction. > For instance, Ms. Johnsen, who would provide legal interpretations to the entire Obama administration, did not try to hide her disdain for recent counterterrorism initiatives in a law review article last year titled: “What’s a President to Do: Interpreting the Constitution in the Wake of the Bush Administration’s Abuses.” > She criticized the “unnecessary unilateralism of the Bush years” in programs like the National Security Agency’s program of wiretapping without warrants and the administration’s approval of simulated drowning, or waterboarding, in the questioning of suspected Al Qaeda operatives. > “I’ll be very surprised if they don’t freshly re-examine some of the positions the previous administration has taken,” said Mr. Tribe, who taught Ms. Kagan at Harvard. > … > While Ms. Kagan and Ms. Johnsen bring strong academic credentials to the Justice Department, Mr. Ogden and Mr. Perrelli are seen as experienced managers who know the intricacies and operations of a department with about 110,000 employees. > Mr. Ogden, a partner at Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale & Dorr, would manage day-to-day operations. Unlike many of the lawyers to hold that post, he has not been a criminal prosecutor, but he was head of the civil division at the end of the Clinton administration and chief of staff to Attorney General Janet Reno. > Mr. Perrelli, managing partner of the Washington office of the firm of Jenner & Block, was also a top aide to Ms. Reno. His portfolio, if he is confirmed, would include oversight of civil litigation, antitrust matters, civil rights, taxes and environmental law. I’m all for stealing digital music being harder if it means we get our Constitution back. > **[Obama Names 4 for Justice Jobs in Break From Bush Path (Published 2009)](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/us/politics/06justice.html?em)** > > Many of the president-elect’s other picks have had a centrist bent, but he signaled a new direction at the Justice Department. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/5 "2009-01-07T07:54:12Z")
^Define “get our constitution back”. Do you mean just the parts you like or can we end welfare too? ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/6 "2009-01-07T08:17:53Z")
Well I was referring to the Patriot Act and GitMo specifically… Welfare is unconstitutional? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/7 "2009-01-07T08:19:19Z")
I thought obama supported illegal wiretapping? but to pile on, don’t forget the 2nd amendment 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/8 "2009-01-07T08:33:15Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > I thought obama supported illegal wiretapping? > > but to pile on, don’t forget the 2nd amendment 😃 Doesn’t look like it from his legal picks… As for the 2nd amendment… Got me there. I’m guessing we’ll see further gun control under his administration. :mad: Gun control is a steady hand. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/9 "2009-01-07T08:38:11Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Doesn’t look like it from his legal picks… > > As for the 2nd amendment… Got me there. I’m guessing we’ll see further gun control under his administration. :mad: > > Gun control is a steady hand. Don’t get me started on gun control. Check out the latest hoop I’ve had to jump through in my quest to get a pistol permit… I took the class ($55), got my 4 erie co references (two from amherst as required), got the forms notarized, dropped them off in person downtown as required with my postal service money order for $105.25 (only payment form accepted), and started working on getting my finger prints from Amherst PD. You have to call APD the day you want to get printed ($10 per card, I have two cards), and their call in window is 7:15am to 7:30am. :mad: I start calling at 7:15, it’s busy. :mad: I keep calling, finally get through at 7:20, get put on hold. :mad: Finally off hold, I’m told all the slots for the day are full. :mad: Ask if I can sign up for a slot tomorrow, no, I have to call back tomorrow. :mad: “Is there another number I can call, because I started calling at the start of your 15 minute window and it was busy”. Nope, just that number. Good luck tomorrow. :mad: Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” my ass. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/10 "2009-01-07T08:41:48Z")
Jebus. It’s like they don’t want to know who has the guns. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/11 "2009-01-07T08:45:42Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Don’t get me started on gun control. Check out the latest hoop I’ve had to jump through in my quest to get a pistol permit… > > I took the class ($55), got my 4 erie co references (two from amherst as required), got the forms notarized, dropped them off in person downtown as required with my postal service money order for $105.25 (only payment form accepted), and started working on getting my finger prints from Amherst PD. > > You have to call APD the day you want to get printed ($10 per card, I have two cards), and their call in window is 7:15am to 7:30am. :mad: > > I start calling at 7:15, it’s busy. :mad: > > I keep calling, finally get through at 7:20, get put on hold. :mad: > > Finally off hold, I’m told all the slots for the day are full. :mad: > > Ask if I can sign up for a slot tomorrow, no, I have to call back tomorrow. :mad: > > “Is there another number I can call, because I started calling at the start of your 15 minute window and it was busy”. Nope, just that number. Good luck tomorrow. :mad: > > Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” my ass. :mad: I went through the same shit. I finally got forwarded to a Sgt. Perracci (sp?) that handles all the printing and also happens to work 3-11. Go figure. He gave me his extension so i wouldnt have to deal with that shit and didn’t charge me for the prints :tup: I’ll see if i still have it at home tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/12 "2009-01-07T08:48:52Z")
WTF? A capitalist democrat with a pistol permit? Dude I think you just want everyone else to be a democrat. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/13 "2009-01-07T08:51:21Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Well I was referring to the Patriot Act and GitMo specifically… > > Welfare is unconstitutional? I am not an expert myself but… Until the New Deal era, a general acknowledgement that individual social welfare, more specifically the use of public monies for the purpose of charity by the national government, was unconstitutional on the national level prevailed in government. Charity was known not to be an enumerated power nor one reasonably implied by the “necessary and proper” clause and therefore considered unconstitutional. Yet around the time of the New Deal, government began overlooking this clear unconstitutionality. The Supreme Court temporarily checked this until the Court Packing Scandal led to pro-welfare rulings by an incapacitated court, fearing dismantling by FDR and therefore under duress, in 1937. Since then the use of public monies for charity, or social welfare, has expanded in what is reasonably termed direct defiance of the Constitution. This page will, using the three interpretive tools described above, demonstrate how today’s social welfare state remains in direct defiance of the United States Constitution. from… [http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/constitution.html](http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/constitution.html) ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/14 "2009-01-07T08:54:49Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > WTF? A capitalist democrat with a pistol permit? > > Dude I think you just want everyone else to be a democrat. :lol: I have to be able to defend myself against the republicans. They all have guns. That and I like shooting things. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/15 "2009-01-07T08:55:38Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I am not an expert myself but… > > Until the New Deal era, a general acknowledgement that individual social welfare, more specifically the use of public monies for the purpose of charity by the national government, was unconstitutional on the national level prevailed in government. Charity was known not to be an enumerated power nor one reasonably implied by the “necessary and proper” clause and therefore considered unconstitutional. Yet around the time of the New Deal, government began overlooking this clear unconstitutionality. The Supreme Court temporarily checked this until the Court Packing Scandal led to pro-welfare rulings by an incapacitated court, fearing dismantling by FDR and therefore under duress, in 1937. Since then the use of public monies for charity, or social welfare, has expanded in what is reasonably termed direct defiance of the Constitution. This page will, using the three interpretive tools described above, demonstrate how today’s social welfare state remains in direct defiance of the United States Constitution. > > from… > [http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/constitution.html](http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/constitution.html) REALLY? [http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist](http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist) tripod page :tup: GOP capitalist…sounds objective :tup: ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/16 "2009-01-07T10:59:20Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > REALLY? > [http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist](http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist) > tripod page :tup: > GOP capitalist…sounds objective :tup: No not really, just ignore him. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/17 "2009-01-07T11:57:52Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” my ass. :mad: Hey, when’s your next “well regulated militia’s” meeting/training session? E: Just because they have worked for the RIAA, even in high positions, doesn’t mean that they’re ideologically devoted to it. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/18 "2009-01-07T12:03:52Z")
> [@Moruitelda](#): > > Hey, when’s your next “well regulated militia’s” meeting/training session? Maybe you missed the Supreme Court ruling this summer while you were off at liberal NY government prep camp. 😉 [http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWBT00928420080626?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true](http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWBT00928420080626?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true) ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/19 "2009-01-07T12:06:38Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Don’t get me started on gun control. Check out the latest hoop I’ve had to jump through in my quest to get a pistol permit… > > I took the class ($55), got my 4 erie co references (two from amherst as required), got the forms notarized, dropped them off in person downtown as required with my postal service money order for $105.25 (only payment form accepted), and started working on getting my finger prints from Amherst PD. > > You have to call APD the day you want to get printed ($10 per card, I have two cards), and their call in window is 7:15am to 7:30am. :mad: > > I start calling at 7:15, it’s busy. :mad: > > I keep calling, finally get through at 7:20, get put on hold. :mad: > > Finally off hold, I’m told all the slots for the day are full. :mad: > > Ask if I can sign up for a slot tomorrow, no, I have to call back tomorrow. :mad: > > “Is there another number I can call, because I started calling at the start of your 15 minute window and it was busy”. Nope, just that number. Good luck tomorrow. :mad: > > Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” my ass. :mad: I thought you can go to any police department and get them? When I went for my TS you could go anywhere… ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885/20 "2009-01-07T12:10:01Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > I thought you can go to any police department and get them? > > When I went for my TS you could go anywhere… Nope, if you live in Amherst and you’re applying for a pistol permit they have to do the fingerprints. If you live in Buffalo you have to go to the Erie County sheriff, and they accept walk ins, but they won’t accept someone from Amherst. Honestly, it’s pretty clear they make this the most cumbersome process possible to keep people from getting the permit. All it’s done for me is motivate me even more to get it, just to say fuck you to them. After that landmark supreme court ruling in the Washington case I’d love to see someone with money sue this county over their licensing process. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-appoints-riaa-lawyers/60885.md?page=2)