# Obama gives part of AZ to Mexico **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 17, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755 "2010-06-17T14:05:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DannyboyUpstate](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dannyboyupstate/32/6313_2.png) [@DannyboyUpstate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DannyboyUpstate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 3:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/21 "2010-06-18T03:30:56Z")
Need strong 3rd party NAO! ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/22 "2010-06-18T05:00:45Z")
…How come no self proclaimed socialists pay more than their share of taxes willingly? Ya know, before buying things for their cars, or new cars or fun stuff for themselves? Just wondering. I think a lot of people are socialists, as long as the money comes from someone else and you just get more services for free. As soon as they start taking your money your tune will change I do believe. ---
**Author:** ![SlackJ94](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slackj94/32/6325_2.png) [@SlackJ94](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SlackJ94)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/23 "2010-06-18T05:09:39Z")
> [@nother n00bie question](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nother-n00bie-question/32784/2): > > What we really need is a revolt. Tear down and rebuild. I agree with you sort of. I agree that something drastic needs to happen in order for any real change to come about. Whether it be an open revolt or not, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![DFDrocks247365](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dfdrocks247365/32/24907_2.png) [@DFDrocks247365](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DFDrocks247365)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/24 "2010-06-18T05:21:59Z")
> [@DannyboyUpstate"](#): > > EDIT: Scratch that… **that was with DFDROCKS back a bit ago.** :shifty What thread are you talking about? :lol edit: fixed ---
**Author:** ![johnnyk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johnnyk/32/6480_2.png) [@johnnyk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/johnnyk)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/25 "2010-06-18T06:19:30Z")
> [@RidinDirtyCrx's Build Thread (Now Running)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ridindirtycrxs-build-thread-now-running/26260/40): > > I agree with you sort of. I agree that something drastic needs to happen in order for any real change to come about. Whether it be an open revolt or not, I don’t know. idk if we need an open revolt but we definitely need some change, and not that shit “change” this fucking obama guy talked about. liesss ---
**Author:** ![Akira](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/akira/32/6286_2.png) [@Akira](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Akira)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/26 "2010-06-18T06:47:56Z")
Both parties are crippled. They’re more worried about denying their opposition power than caring for the American public, the people who SHOULD hold all the power. So fuck yeah we need an open revolt. The ideas this country was founded on have been shat upon. ---
**Author:** ![DFDrocks247365](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dfdrocks247365/32/24907_2.png) [@DFDrocks247365](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DFDrocks247365)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/27 "2010-06-18T07:32:54Z")
> [@Whats the chinese food...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-the-chinese-food/32766/18): > > Both parties are crippled. They’re more worried about denying their opposition power than caring for the American public, the people who SHOULD hold all the power. So fuck yeah we need an open revolt. The ideas this country was founded on have been shat upon. :thumbup well said…I agree with what you are saying here. I just don’t agree with going in a more socialist direction. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/28 "2010-06-18T14:11:31Z")
> [@Whats the chinese food...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-the-chinese-food/32766/18): > > Both parties are crippled. They’re more worried about denying their opposition power than caring for the American public, the people who SHOULD hold all the power. So fuck yeah we need an open revolt. The ideas this country was founded on have been shat upon. Just trying to get your viewpoint. You said your pro socialism but then you complain about the direction of the country moving away from the founders. I agree it is, because its becoming more and more socialist(as every democracy does due to entitlements). So do you think we should move more socialist? Or move back towards what the founders thought? ---
**Author:** ![Akira](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/akira/32/6286_2.png) [@Akira](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Akira)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/29 "2010-06-18T16:18:11Z")
Well truthfully, the founding fathers’ ideas for the American government was closer to a social democratic society and much less so the capitalistic one we live in today. For the people by the people. I know you’re trying to trip me up and try to show intellectual superiority, which is cool and all, but it doesn’t impress me much. Sorry, man. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/30 "2010-06-18T19:01:58Z")
> [@R.I.P. Lincoln, you will be missed](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r-i-p-lincoln-you-will-be-missed/32789/31): > > Well truthfully, the founding fathers’ ideas for the American government was closer to a social democratic society and much less so the capitalistic one we live in today. For the people by the people. That’s a huge stretch at best, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/31 "2010-06-19T00:29:43Z")
> [@R.I.P. Lincoln, you will be missed](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r-i-p-lincoln-you-will-be-missed/32789/31): > > Well truthfully, the founding fathers’ ideas for the American government was closer to a social democratic society and much less so the capitalistic one we live in today. For the people by the people. > > I know you’re trying to trip me up and try to show intellectual superiority, which is cool and all, but it doesn’t impress me much. Sorry, man. No im not, im just confused because you said one thing and then another. It seems like your playin both sides. I’m fairly certain some founding father didn’t want taxes at all, some wanted taxes and others even wanted a monarchy, but not socialism I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_Chris\_2401](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_chris_2401/32/6625_2.png) [@imported\_Chris\_2401](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_Chris_2401)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/32 "2010-06-19T05:45:21Z")
Thats seriously fucked up ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/33 "2010-06-19T19:38:02Z")
> [@JClark"](#): > > That’s a huge stretch at best, IMO. agreed. America was very capitalistic compared to socialist come our founding. Socialist ideas didn’t really hit the scenes until the early 1800s. Remember in the 1700s and 1800s Europe and the Americas were still dealing with Absolutism, and monarchs. ---
**Author:** ![Akira](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/akira/32/6286_2.png) [@Akira](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Akira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/34 "2010-06-19T21:35:54Z")
Eh… I see it differently. They were trying to escape the crown and found a country on the idea of being for the people and led by the people. Sounds a bit like (idealistic) Socialism to me. Democracy and Socialism run parallel on many themes and ideas, but unfortunately neither seem to work too well. The human factor always ruins it. ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/35 "2010-06-19T21:47:08Z")
> [@Cheating NYS when registering a vehicle. whats at stake?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheating-nys-when-registering-a-vehicle-whats-at-stake/32823/24): > > Eh… I see it differently. They were trying to escape the crown and found a country on the idea of being for the people and led by the people. Sounds a bit like (idealistic) Socialism to me. Democracy and Socialism run parallel on many themes and ideas, but unfortunately neither seem to work too well. The human factor always ruins it. founded for the elites / bourgeoisie by the elites / bourgeoisie. it was about rights for certain peoples, and making money. ---
**Author:** ![Akira](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/akira/32/6286_2.png) [@Akira](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Akira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/36 "2010-06-19T22:11:51Z")
True, I guess. Fuck rich people, I say we loot the fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/37 "2010-06-20T06:09:22Z")
> [@AKA Rally 2007 - Salt Lake City to Atlantic City](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/aka-rally-2007-salt-lake-city-to-atlantic-city/28464/45): > > True, I guess. Fuck rich people, I say we loot the fuckers. Why, because they worked hard to get to where they are? You don’t get rich by just sitting around on your ass and complaining about other people. The thing I hate the most is when people complain about the “rich” people that have it better than they do. Of course they do, and they always will, but there is nothing wrong with that. Why should they suffer after they did what they had to in order to be successful. It dosen’t matter if you are rich or poor people will always be greedy and superficial. It’s time that people like you grow up and realize that life isn’t fair and never will be. Be happy with what you’ve got already, and if your not happy with what you’ve got, go out and do something to further yourself without needing to bring everyone else down. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/38 "2010-06-20T07:11:38Z")
> [@Cheating NYS when registering a vehicle. whats at stake?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheating-nys-when-registering-a-vehicle-whats-at-stake/32823/24): > > Eh… I see it differently. They were trying to escape the crown and found a country on the idea of being for the people and led by the people. Sounds a bit like (idealistic) Socialism to me. Democracy and Socialism run parallel on many themes and ideas, but unfortunately neither seem to work too well. The human factor always ruins it. That’s also a stretch. Democracy doesnt have themes or ideas outside of government by the people. US was founded on that and freedom for those same people. I dont remember many socialist ideals in the Constitution. I also think it’s crap that people use anything they can find to grant themselves more entitlement, in this case the Constitution. People need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions instead of finding reasons why they shouldnt have to. > [@TW: 90 mustang lx/gt](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tw-90-mustang-lx-gt/32817/6): > > founded for the elites / bourgeoisie by the elites / bourgeoisie. it was about rights for certain peoples, and making money. Honest question, do you mean that back in 1776 or now (you said 'was)? If you meant currently: I dont disagree that the elites founded the country, but how is it all about the rights for certain peoples making money? It took way too long, but all US citizens now have equal rights. Opportunities can never be equal but the progressives have done their best at that part too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Akira](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/akira/32/6286_2.png) [@Akira](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Akira)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/39 "2010-06-20T07:52:26Z")
> [@Michael Vick in trouble (or The Misadventures of Ron Mexico)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/michael-vick-in-trouble-or-the-misadventures-of-ron-mexico/32852/42): > > Why, because they worked hard to get to where they are? You don’t get rich by just sitting around on your ass and complaining about other people. > > The thing I hate the most is when people complain about the “rich” people that have it better than they do. Of course they do, and they always will, but there is nothing wrong with that. Why should they suffer after they did what they had to in order to be successful. > > It dosen’t matter if you are rich or poor people will always be greedy and superficial. It’s time that people like you grow up and realize that life isn’t fair and never will be. Be happy with what you’ve got already, and if your not happy with what you’ve got, go out and do something to further yourself without needing to bring everyone else down. I’ve watched honest hard working people toil their entire lives away trying to make a decent living to support their families, giving way more than any bank rolling piece of shit has ever done. Where’s their piece of the pie? Where’s their reward for doing their part to keep this country running? The rich get richer and the poor get poorer these days, and fuck that. Fuck the rich, they don’t want to pay extra taxes, well too fucking bad. You want to be a part of this society, than you need to pay your share of it. If you don’t like it, we’ll seize your fucking property, sell your business, and deport you. Fuck the rich. And if you have a problem with my opinion, too fucking bad. ---
**Author:** ![Akira](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/akira/32/6286_2.png) [@Akira](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Akira)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obama-gives-part-of-az-to-mexico/252755/40 "2010-06-20T08:21:58Z")
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