# Obamacares Fate, Votes in Today **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228 "2012-06-28T07:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/81 "2012-07-02T06:56:21Z")
> [@The Happening](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-happening/49944/46): > > Well considering even a small business can write off anything under the moon, including losses for the first few years, it’s not hard to make that claim. You can only write off losses to the extent of earnings son… you dont pay taxes on losses, but you dont get money back for losses either… do you get how it works at all? ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/82 "2012-07-02T09:37:24Z")
> [@Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/18018/42): > > All this is , is the biggest tax in US History. On almost anyone with a job. $80 k family of 4, tax increase is $1600. All workers will be paying… time to read the taxcare law folks. Do you know how this works at all? > • First is a surcharge of 0.9 percent on the Medicare taxes paid on wages of $200,000 a year for those filing singly or $250,000 for those who are married and filing jointly. > • In addition, there is a 3.8 percent tax on unearned income of over $250,000, such as dividends and capital gains. > According to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, these taxes alone are estimated to raise $210 billion over 10 years or about 40 percent of the new revenue. Since Romney gets most of his income from passive investments, based on his income of $42 million over a two-year period, he would owe an additional $1.6 million. > • Another major tax increase is new taxes or fees on medical devices, drug manufacturers, and importers of medical devices. The Congressional Budget Office estimates this group would bring in an additional $107 billion over 10 years. > • There is also a surcharge on high-cost health-insurance plans, which will be mainly borne by the wealthy. Labor unions, which have given up pay increases for benefit increases, have a short exclusion from the surcharge. Over 10 years, this will raise $32 billion. > • And, finally, the legislation includes penalties on individuals who do not get insurance and companies that don’t offer it. The actual penalties start relatively low – a penalty of the greater of $95 or 1 percent of income in 2014, $325 or 2 percent of income in 2015, and $695 or 2.5 percent of income in 2016 and beyond. This is expected to raise $17 billion over 10 years from individuals and $52 billion from corporations. You are only taxed if you don’t have insurance and can afford it forcing you to buy it, or taxed more overall if you make more than a 1/4 million a year. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/83 "2012-07-02T21:20:32Z")
I’m supposed to be mad a businesses for trying to influence politics to…again…make more money? Or should I be more mad at governments for allowing themselves to be influenced? ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/84 "2012-07-02T21:39:37Z")
> [@New guy from Rochester](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-guy-from-rochester/50020/10): > > I’m supposed to be mad a businesses for trying to influence politics to…again…make more money? **Or should I be more mad at governments for allowing themselves to be influenced?** Egg-fucking-zactly. Our government is supposed to serve us. They’re the ones not doing their jobs. Businesses are doing what they’re supposed to do: make money. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/85 "2012-07-02T23:35:55Z")
> [@New guy from Rochester](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-guy-from-rochester/50020/10): > > I’m supposed to be mad a businesses for trying to influence politics to…again…make more money? Or should I be more mad at governments for allowing themselves to be influenced? At logic, mafia is a business to make money and you’re okay with it. :lmao :lmao :lmao You are right, business can do whatever the fuck so they can make money. So can robbers, hitmen, corrupt politicians and people in the ghetto who play the system. All fair game as long as they make money. :bowdown ---
**Author:** ![car\_ramrod](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/car_ramrod/32/6441_2.png) [@car\_ramrod](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/car_ramrod)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/86 "2012-07-03T06:08:53Z")
> [@f/s 2 helmets...cheap track day use?best offer](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/f-s-2-helmets-cheap-track-day-use-best-offer/49240/14): > > At logic, mafia is a business to make money and you’re okay with it. > > :lmao :lmao :lmao > > You are right, business can do whatever the fuck so they can make money. > > So can robbers, hitmen, corrupt politicians and people in the ghetto who play the system. > > All fair game as long as they make money. > > :bowdown how is running a legal business the same as any of the illegal activities you mentioned above? don’t forget what this country was formed on…capitalism. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/87 "2012-07-03T09:59:10Z")
> [@f/s 2 helmets...cheap track day use?best offer](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/f-s-2-helmets-cheap-track-day-use-best-offer/49240/14): > > At logic, mafia is a business to make money and you’re okay with it. > > You are right, business can do whatever the fuck so they can make money. > > So can robbers, hitmen, corrupt politicians and people in the ghetto who play the system. > > All fair game as long as they make money. :facepalm ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/88 "2012-07-03T12:33:58Z")
> [@WTF Sour Milk - v. Viper Resale?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtf-sour-milk-v-viper-resale/50040/29): > > how is running a legal business the same as any of the illegal activities you mentioned above? > > don’t forget what this country was formed on…capitalism. Since when is bribing legal? ---
**Author:** ![AutoFocusPhotography](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/34f0e0/32.png) [@AutoFocusPhotography](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AutoFocusPhotography)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/89 "2012-07-03T12:51:41Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/47885/103): > > Since when is bribing legal? So all businesses bribe? That’s a pretty large generalization. The things you named are all 100% illegal, 100% of the time. Businesses for the most part I’d say do not bribe, of course there are those who do but you can’t make such a huge generalization to connect legal businesses with the illegal scum you talked about. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/90 "2012-07-03T12:59:32Z")
> [@FS: EF Hatch (not mine)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-ef-hatch-not-mine/50026/21): > > So all businesses bribe? That’s a pretty large generalization. The things you named are all 100% illegal, 100% of the time. Businesses for the most part I’d say do not bribe, of course there are those who do but you can’t make such a huge generalization to connect legal businesses with the illegal scum you talked about. > Corporations, labour unions, governments, and other interests spent a record-setting 2.79 billion dollars last year in hopes of influencing policy, the group said. This marked a 7.7 percent, or 200-million-dollar, increase over 2006, also a bumper year for the influence industry. [http://ipsnorthamerica.net/news.php?idnews=1407](http://ipsnorthamerica.net/news.php?idnews=1407) We are all generalizing here. If you are a big business you are damn likely to lobby and donate to campaigns of politicians. I’ll bet you can fit a lot of golf outings and vacations in 2.8 billion dollars. And correct me if I’m wrong but youre saying that doing something illegal occasionally is more legal than doing it all the time as examples listed above? People are out to make money too… ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/91 "2012-07-03T13:30:32Z")
It’s only illegal if you get caught, and I don’t see any charges brought up. Lol ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/92 "2012-07-03T13:40:51Z")
> [@\*\*\*Official: My Bubble Tea Sunday Meets\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-my-bubble-tea-sunday-meets/45196/478): > > rofl at this thread… typical jammer With people like you spewing bullshit so consistantly all day, no wonder so many people are misguided. What have you accomplished … what businesses do you own…what experiences do you have to back all your claims, other than rhetoric progressive bullshit. Fed to you by parents , Union teachers, freak libs and MSNBC. ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/93 "2012-07-03T13:41:39Z")
Haha… Same could be said about you. I’m currently enjoying my job thats subsidized by the government… thanks for putting money in my pocket buddy! ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/94 "2012-07-03T13:45:53Z")
> [@CHODA 08 BUILD - ITS ALIVE AND RUNS GOOOOD](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/choda-08-build-its-alive-and-runs-gooood/48122/78): > > Do you know how this works at all? > > You are only taxed if you don’t have insurance and can afford it forcing you to buy it, or taxed more overall if you make more than a 1/4 million a year. I was referring to business in general, not this TAX. Read what I quoted… here it is in case you forgot “”“”“Originally Posted by Vovchandr … Well considering even a small business can write off anything under the moon, including losses for the first few years, it’s not hard to make that claim. “””" What do you mean “including losses for the first few years” explain to me what your saying, clearly. but…your info that you posted is 1/4 page of the thousands in Obamacare… dont for a moment think what you posted is all there is. gawd You actually think your taxes dont go up unless you make $250k? Oh, and by the way, how do you think they will know if you can “afford” it. Have you read that part? Boy, someone pissed in my cornflakes today… ignore me ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/95 "2012-07-03T13:46:32Z")
Why don’t you just move scammer… you seem to hate here so much. Go somewhere else… move to texas. I’m sure theres plenty of roof’s you can clean down there. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/96 "2012-07-03T13:50:31Z")
> [@FS: 1991 Doge Stealth Base SOHC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-1991-doge-stealth-base-sohc/49903/33): > > Why don’t you just move scammer… you seem to hate here so much. Go somewhere else… move to texas. I’m sure theres plenty of roof’s you can clean down there. Fuck it, not worth it ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/97 "2012-07-03T13:51:32Z")
Isn’t that what you do? You just brought my parents and my education into… whats the difference? You’re a miserable old man. ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/98 "2012-07-03T13:54:43Z")
not worth it? ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/99 "2012-07-03T14:02:12Z")
I own two NYS E-Lap Labs I run a Residental and Commerical Inspection Company Hold a Real Estate License I own and run Xtreme MakeOver Properties LLC I own Rooftop Wizards even though I havnt personally seen a roof, were busy. I’m a licensed Pest Control Specialist and Certified Radon in Air Measurement Specialist I do a simulcast radio show from Poughkeepsie to Burlington, that runs on 5 stations, 3 times a week. (just leased it to SunMark as I’m sorta busy) Im a father Im a landlord for 13 Units Im immediate past President of The American Society of Home Inspectors I have a Bachelors degree, an associates degree and am certified in more shit than I care to name. I opened and sold RMS of NY, a Radon Mitigation Company to list a few accomplishments. Every member of my family owns or owned a business, from Pharmacy mailorder software Development just sold to Humania, to plowing fucking 20 mall and stuyvesant plaza; What did you say you did? In the end, I am not against you, I am against regulation… thats the bottom line. Lets keep it civil. ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/100 "2012-07-03T14:03:28Z")
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