# Obamacares Fate, Votes in Today **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228 "2012-06-28T07:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![SDP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SDP](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SDP)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/121 "2012-07-05T08:50:56Z")
> [@The "Oil Prices" thread.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-oil-prices-thread/44739/502): > > god damn it, when you run for office I am voting you +1 ---
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/122 "2012-07-05T11:52:14Z")
> [@The "Oil Prices" thread.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-oil-prices-thread/44739/502): > > god damn it, when you run for office I am voting you +1. I think Jammer hates me :lol but that post was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/123 "2012-07-05T13:31:54Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/735): > > but at the end of the day, Freedom of Choice and smaller government and de-regulation is my main concern. Pretty much spot on with my concerns as well. Government has become so over bloated and wasteful that it only exists to perpetuate itself further not help the people for which it was created. Obama Care is another example of an overreaching and intrusive government telling its people what they have to purchase. This program is going to be the biggest tax burden to the middle class in history. ---
**Author:** ![JoeD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/77aa72/32.png) [@JoeD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoeD)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/124 "2012-07-05T15:46:10Z")
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**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/125 "2012-07-06T06:35:58Z")
> [@6/21 WNY Solo Event 4: Batavia GoKart Track! \*\*SATURDAY\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/6-21-wny-solo-event-4-batavia-gokart-track-saturday/50068/7): > > Riddle me this batman, if businesses’ only point is to make money, and they spend billions of dollars donating and lobbying, surely they see a return on the investment in the long run? why are you blaming the company instead of the politicians? I think the arguement against lobbying is always hilarious because every politician who complains about lobbying supports some lobbyists in some way. Then brainwashed people who actually beleive a word a politician says have another reason to hate big business, all very funny. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/126 "2012-07-06T07:23:15Z")
> [@US Top Fail Hosts announced](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/us-top-fail-hosts-announced/50083/3): > > why are you blaming the company instead of the politicians? > > I think the arguement against lobbying is always hilarious because every politician who complains about lobbying supports some lobbyists in some way. Then brainwashed people who actually beleive a word a politician says have another reason to hate big business, all very funny. Do you blame the rape victim or the rapist? And _we_ are brain washed :rofl Edit: why don’t we go and rob your place, and than blame you for not being protective enough :ponder ---
**Author:** ![car\_ramrod](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/car_ramrod/32/6441_2.png) [@car\_ramrod](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/car_ramrod)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/127 "2012-07-06T08:19:10Z")
> [@US Top Fail Hosts announced](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/us-top-fail-hosts-announced/50083/4): > > Do you blame the rape victim or the rapist? > > And _we_ are brain washed :rofl > > Edit: why don’t we go and rob your place, and than blame you for not being protective enough :ponder I usually stay pretty quiet to your remarks, but you see nothing wrong with the state the country is in today? You think there needs to be MORE government intervention in our day to day lives? You think we need MORE social welfare programs at the expense of the American taxpayer? You truly believe that the root cause of all evil in our country is at the hands of “big business” and nothing else? You say brainwashed, and I truly believe you may be? Let me guess, you fully supported the occupy movement, believing that the rich are evil people and that they should pay more taxes, even though they already pay the majority. What about that makes sense??? ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/128 "2012-07-06T10:34:37Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/735): > > You may have a point… > Please understand that your stances are often leaning toward progressiveness and big government, social welfare and equality. While that all sounds nice, we can’t haveit both ways. Capitalism does not play well with social equality and the movement that lends itself toward rewarding non-performers with the pockets of performers. > > I do not believe in trophies for the losing team… nor do I think its fair for so many to ride the backs of hard working Americans. > > I do not like that 15 million more people became eligable for foodstamps since Obama changed the guidelines. I think regulation and big government hinder the economy and employment. I think that freedom to make choices is paramont, as this country is the last bashton for that, and its being taken by the left. > > I do not think the average American is capable of putting country before self, and I think they should, for the future generations. Too many people think about themselves first. > > I could go on with evidence that would make you think… if i thought you had an open mind… but we both have our beliefs and admittedly would argue each point… so frankly, I dont think we could be constructive. > > In the end, from the things you say, I can say, I feel you represent most of what I hate with regards to the issues I mentioned above, mainly because I just dont think you “get it” from an information an experience standpoint. Just as u dont think I get it. > > I appreciate your knowledge of how to effectively argue your points, but the backbone of this type of discussion is so deep that we both know it would take 100 hours for us to express our points and get to the root. > > So when i call you a liberal, I’m jumping to the root. When I refer to myself as a conservative, its a root as well. Understand I am very liberal on some social issues, as you may be conservative on some moral issues, but at the end of the day, Freedom of Choice and smaller government and de-regulation is my main concern. Well put… il respect that. Hey ninetytwo1hobbit… why am I a sheep because I have my own ideas and won’t just agree with people to fit in? ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/129 "2012-07-06T10:41:16Z")
> [@US Top Fail Hosts announced](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/us-top-fail-hosts-announced/50083/4): > > Do you blame the rape victim or the rapist? > > And _we_ are brain washed :rofl > > Edit: why don’t we go and rob your place, and than blame you for not being protective enough :ponder how is going along with lobbyists being a victim? I think there may be a difference between going along with lobbyists in exchange for financial support, and raping someone…or attempting to burglarize a house (survivors will be prosecuted)… ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/130 "2012-07-06T13:59:36Z")
> [@US Top Fail Hosts announced](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/us-top-fail-hosts-announced/50083/7): > > I usually stay pretty quiet to your remarks, but you see nothing wrong with the state the country is in today? You think there needs to be MORE government intervention in our day to day lives? You think we need MORE social welfare programs at the expense of the American taxpayer? You truly believe that the root cause of all evil in our country is at the hands of “big business” and nothing else? > > You say brainwashed, and I truly believe you may be? Let me guess, you fully supported the occupy movement, believing that the rich are evil people and that they should pay more taxes, even though they already pay the majority. What about that makes sense??? Guess again. If you think that I see nothing wrong with the state the country is today you clearly haven’t been reading my remarks. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/131 "2012-07-06T14:04:19Z")
> [@Would it be illegal to shoot my neighbor's dog with a BB gun?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/would-it-be-illegal-to-shoot-my-neighbors-dog-with-a-bb-gun/50084/11): > > Guess again. > > If you think that I see nothing wrong with the state the country is today you clearly haven’t been reading my remarks. No offense but it’s kinda hard to tell where you’re coming from. You tend to be all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/132 "2012-07-06T14:19:17Z")
> [@storm much?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/storm-much/50056/12): > > No offense but it’s kinda hard to tell where you’re coming from. You tend to be all over the place. There are problems all over the place. Reason for my remarks is it always gets me are the people who think that big business are innocent and are “just doing their job” or the republican party will be the cure for all the problems come next election. The game has been a long time in the making, and if you’re playing it you won’t be changing the rules, because that’s political suicide. You always have to go back on your words, you always have to please campaign contributors, you cant ever please everybody, etc. There is no messiah coming in to save us all next term or the term after that. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/133 "2012-07-06T15:06:52Z")
what is the job of a business besides making profits? ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/134 "2012-07-06T16:42:01Z")
Providing a good or service… ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/135 "2012-07-06T17:07:52Z")
> [@storm much?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/storm-much/50056/16): > > what is the job of a business besides making profits? What is a job of a person besides making profit at any means possible in today’s society? ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/136 "2012-07-06T21:05:47Z")
> [@Don't lie.... Who wants one of these?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dont-lie-who-wants-one-of-these/50079/5): > > What is a job of a person besides making profit at any means possible in today’s society? depends, police do police work, firemen fight fires, nurses treat people, the military defends people, liberals like to pay people for nothing, politicians lie, ect ect many jobs that don’t involve purely seeking profit…a private business that sells something is purely in the business of profit by any legal means necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/137 "2012-07-06T21:14:13Z")
> [@Streetfighters \> full fairing bikes](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/streetfighters-full-fairing-bikes/50080/16): > > depends, police do police work, firemen fight fires, nurses treat people, the military defends people, liberals like to pay people for nothing, politicians lie, ect ect many jobs that don’t involve purely seeking profit…a private business that sells something is purely in the business of profit by any legal means necessary. You dimwit, having a job to begin with is a profit seeking activity. Every person seeks to make money. Just like a business. Don’t forget corporations are people, right? Similar goals. ---
**Author:** ![car\_ramrod](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/car_ramrod/32/6441_2.png) [@car\_ramrod](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/car_ramrod)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2012, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/138 "2012-07-07T10:55:24Z")
> [@Would it be illegal to shoot my neighbor's dog with a BB gun?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/would-it-be-illegal-to-shoot-my-neighbors-dog-with-a-bb-gun/50084/11): > > Guess again. > > If you think that I see nothing wrong with the state the country is today you clearly haven’t been reading my remarks. I do read your remarks but the problem is you never have a particular stance on anything other than to argue with what a conservative minded person is speaking ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2012, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/139 "2012-07-07T11:45:15Z")
> [@People with tmobile + verizon people](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/people-with-tmobile-verizon-people/49983/17): > > +1. I think Jammer hates me :lol but that post was awesome. Actually, your probably the most moral man on the site. I respect that big time. I do laugh at times, but thats ok. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2012, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/140 "2012-07-07T12:03:43Z")
> [@FS: 02 1.8t gti](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-02-1-8t-gti/49977/10): > > You dimwit, having a job to begin with is a profit seeking activity. > > Every person seeks to make money. Just like a business. Don’t forget corporations are people, right? Similar goals. every person doesn’t get a job to seek profit…annndddd while people get salaries for the jobs i’ve listed, the goals of those positions are not only to gain money like a business [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228.md?page=8)