# Obamacares Fate, Votes in Today **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228 "2012-06-28T07:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 119
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2012, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/119 "2012-07-04T10:05:27Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/737): > > Like most people you really have no idea of how the system works and instead have this perverted view, which isn’t surprising. As one of the people that you would consider to be a “briber” I can tell you that there is no such thing as a gift or a bribe. I give campaign cash to all sorts of people and nearly all of them have fucked me over at one point or another on an issue. I can also tell you that the one thing candidates like better than money is people out going door to door, making calls and canvassing for them, and no one mobilizes better than a union. Corporations aren’t putting boots on the ground, but labor unions can offer you thousands of people our knocking on doors, which they couple with all of the cash they give. Ok so you’re telling me you didn’t sell a car to every person that walked through the door, at the end of the day cars get sold. Riddle me this batman, if businesses’ only point is to make money, and they spend billions of dollars donating and lobbying, surely they see a return on the investment in the long run? Why is your company in business? Because it brings results from lobbying. What results? Influences on policies and decision making. I don’t care if you don’t call lobbying and donating bribing. As long as there is a name behind the money, it’s bribing. Irony is since it’s not illegal as its not a binding contract politicians are allowed to double dip from many companies and they never “have” to show support to one in particular even though they collected from both. If donations came anonymously than sure it’s fair game, however a million dollar check that says “from Pepsi, with love, hope you get elected” carries a message. But feel free to tell me how “perverted” my view is and how innocent and perfect our system is as senators continue selling inside trading information during “sit in meetings” to trading companies on our open market. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228)._