# Obamacares Fate, Votes in Today **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228 "2012-06-28T07:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 36
**Author:** ![Upstate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b3f665/32.png) [@Upstate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Upstate)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/36 "2012-06-29T09:10:41Z")
> [@2010 370Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-370z/50018/7): > > Why can’t he call it a human right? We are supposed to be a “civilized” nation; one in which that cares about its citizens. When a person is sick or dying, do they not deserve the right to medical care to make them better? Why should certain people get good care and others not? :dunno Basic human rights are the ability to defend oneself, to not be enslaved, to be recognized under the law, etc; general principles that have guided mankind for hundreds of years. This idea that healthcare is a human right is a very recent one and one made by progressives as a justification for government interference in peoples lives. Why should certain people get AC and others not? Society long ago said that we don’t want our poorest suffering, hence we now have Medicaid. I think the issue that most people have with the ACA is not the goal of making sure everyone is insured, it’s the manner in which it is done. If a state (and I will always argue this is a state issue, not federal) wishes to establish a low-cost insurance exchange for people to take advantage of, they should be able to. However the federal government should not tell tham that they have to, and more importantly the federal government should not tell individuals that they must buy this product or incur a penalty. THAT is the problem. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228)._