# Obamacares Fate, Votes in Today **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228 "2012-06-28T07:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 50
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228/50 "2012-06-29T19:10:11Z")
> [@Birth Certificates](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/birth-certificates/50008/15): > > Basic human rights are the ability to defend oneself, **to not be enslaved** , **to be recognized under the law** , etc; general principles that have guided mankind for hundreds of years. This idea that healthcare is a human right is a very recent one and one made by progressives as a justification for government interference in peoples lives. Why should certain people get AC and others not? > > Society long ago said that we don’t want our poorest suffering, hence we now have Medicaid. I think the issue that most people have with the ACA is not the goal of making sure everyone is insured, it’s the manner in which it is done. If a state (and I will always argue this is a state issue, not federal) wishes to establish a low-cost insurance exchange for people to take advantage of, they should be able to. However the federal government should not tell tham that they have to, and more importantly the federal government should not tell individuals that they must buy this product or incur a penalty. THAT is the problem. Actually, those rights are fairly recent given the time frame of mankind and civilization. Just over 150 years ago, people were allowed to own slaves within the United States borders. But, you see, we as a society evolved and saw how wicked it was to own another person, and to deny people basic rights under the law based on color, religion, sex and sexuality. The human race is supposed to progress every generation for the better, and now due to our progression we are seeing more equal rights for every person in the United States. Healthcare, in my opinion is another basic right. Everyone deserves the right to live and to be treated with affordable healthcare. That is where this bill comes in; it grants people this right. It’s not a universal system as seen in other countries; but, it’s a start. And you can’t say that it will cause harm to the country and we will lose jobs because of this bill. Look at Germany for instance, they have socialized medicine and they are an economic powerhouse. In the end we are going to have dissenting opinions and that’s how it’s going to be. You won’t be able to change my mind and vice versa. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/obamacares-fate-votes-in-today/264228)._