# Occupy Wallstreet **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 29, 2011, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647 "2011-09-29T12:57:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/181 "2011-10-25T10:47:51Z")
want a nice little Car related reality check on how the “cheap” labor is fucking this country??? [http://htarchive.org/showthread.php?t=2267900](http://htarchive.org/showthread.php?t=2267900) Take a look at the first 10-20 pages, look at the quality of work, the quality of cars and how his business was taking off. Now skip to the last 5 pages, 4 years later. A rash of “knock off” shops in his area effectively shut his doors down. They produce the “same” products but are undercutting the prices so bad it made is work look over priced and excessive. Same with outsourcing shit overseas. The quality will get the customer by, but its KILLING our quality VALUE driven companies her in our country. Exact same thing this guy dealt with, just on a smaller scale. The 30 shit hole shops around him take zero pride in their work, dont have the drive and experience to make a quality part and are just out to make a quick buck and not look for the long run. There is your real world example of how that shit happens. ---
**Author:** ![streetsweeper1098](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@streetsweeper1098](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/streetsweeper1098)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/182 "2011-10-25T10:51:58Z")
> [@state laws on item pricing in stores?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-laws-on-item-pricing-in-stores/46205/25): > > unions = :rofl > > Want to know why your job sucks, and you hate the people above you? becasue you, like me, are disgusted by people in better jobs than us, making more money than us, doing effectively less "work", and not becasue they "earned" it. > > Thank Unions for this. > > Since they made it a secret society of workers, and made it "hard" to get into their club, they made it seem like a high and mighty place to be. Contract signed to a Union and they are in. Vast majority sit back and watch the select few Union workers that still take pride in exchanging labor for food on the table. > > Its just like highschool all over again. The cool kids lean up against the lockers in the hallway and bully the lackeys around to get what they want. Everyone want to be like them, once they are selected they too follow like sheep in a herd. > > To make the never ending cycle worse, all it take is elevated greed and a way to get that contract signed to keep the cycle going. When things dont go their way, and they are still under contract they strike and get away with it becasue they have a strangle hold on the production. And they hang themselves when they need to also. Just becasue you are in, doesn't mean you cant be walked over. Look into the NYS & PEF contract news. I am glad they are finally starting to see why the unions are killing the state. A good friend of mine was put on the chopping block from that, one of the few that actually got things accomplished when they needed to be. While the rest literally slept at their desks. > > It all boils down to finding WORTH in jobs and what ever type of labor is involved in them. Get rid of the do-nothings. Let them starve their families, I could care less. Make production worth something again. Make the jobs worth getting up to go complete again. Make diplomas in college a challenge again. END the "work less get paid more" mentality and watch the "middle class" survivors rise to the top again. I understand that its bad when a union has too much power, but on the other end of the spectrum its really hard when you don't have any pull at all. Where I work, I do several different jobs. Some of those jobs have a lot of prevailing wage work and others don't. At the end of my season I had two different people trying to get me on a "money" crew, if you will, and my bosses didn't want to send me. Keep in mind, the people vouching for me were running the crew. I would have made more money in those six weeks with that crew than I would have all season. On top of that, I come back for my fourth year and get a dollar raise, brings me up to 11 dollars an hour. Then I have to work with some fat tub of lard who is brand new and makes the same amount of money as me but mommy owns a company and knows the owner of my company. Kid couldn't find his way out of a paper bag. Meanwhile, the business is having a banner year. The managers, vp, and president will all pull in over 100k… much more for the vp and president actually. I will be lucky to pull in 30k this year including unemployment and I was working my dick off. I've been sent out of town on a thursday with little to no notice to work through the weekend. I've worked with second degree burns on my arm and a chemical pneumonia. I recently just pulled a 21 and a half hour day of physical labor, which is illegal. The whole summer I didn't work less than 60 hours and less than 6 days a week. Everyone will keep telling me to get a better job and I am sincerely working on that, but what about the guys behind me at my old job? Its going to be the same shit for them. How do you break that cycle? ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/183 "2011-10-25T10:54:20Z")
> [@California tax money @ work v. ricers...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/california-tax-money-work-v-ricers/46214/5): > > Not always, on more than one occasion I’ve seen people promoted just because **nobody wanted/could fire them and they were so terrible and lazy that the boss or the coworkers didn’t want to deal with the person.** > > So they promote him/her to a different department or a different store. > > The theory isn’t work **hard** , it never was it’s work **smart** and play you cards **right**. > > Hard work means nothing if nobody notices it. EXACTLY MY POINT. If the company or person of power had the balls to do what was right they should have been fired. Keeping someone like that is only sinking the ship, not only for you but the rest of the market on the grand scheme of things. Just like the guy I just linked to. If the county his shop and those 30 knock offs were in was a single company lets say, the knock offs would have be fired, and the company would be selling a better product (produced by the guy taking pride in his work). Maybe the knock off clowns would see this and up their work ethic and try to get hired back and be an asset instead of a hindrance. ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/184 "2011-10-25T10:56:51Z")
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**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/185 "2011-10-25T10:59:36Z")
> [@FS: Ichibahn Steering Wheel](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-ichibahn-steering-wheel/45771/26): > > I understand that its bad when a union has too much power, but on the other end of the spectrum its really hard when you don't have any pull at all. Where I work, I do several different jobs. Some of those jobs have a lot of prevailing wage work and others don't. At the end of my season I had two different people trying to get me on a "money" crew, if you will, and my bosses didn't want to send me. Keep in mind, the people vouching for me were running the crew. I would have made more money in those six weeks with that crew than I would have all season. > > On top of that, I come back for my fourth year and get a dollar raise, brings me up to 11 dollars an hour. Then I have to work with some fat tub of lard who is brand new and makes the same amount of money as me but mommy owns a company and knows the owner of my company. Kid couldn't find his way out of a paper bag. > > Meanwhile, the business is having a banner year. The managers, vp, and president will all pull in over 100k… much more for the vp and president actually. I will be lucky to pull in 30k this year including unemployment and I was working my dick off. I've been sent out of town on a thursday with little to no notice to work through the weekend. I've worked with second degree burns on my arm and a chemical pneumonia. I recently just pulled a 21 and a half hour day of physical labor, which is illegal. The whole summer I didn't work less than 60 hours and less than 6 days a week. > > Everyone will keep telling me to get a better job and I am sincerely working on that, but what about the guys behind me at my old job? Its going to be the same shit for them. How do you break that cycle? +rep. For all of those who say “get a better job” you do realize that he won’t likely be working harder for more money if he does, right? Some of the hardest working people and some of the worst jobs are some of the least paying jobs. Typically the more you make the less work you do. I’ve worked my ass off since I was 16 working all sorts of jobs through the time, fast food, paintball fields, gas station attendant, constructions and right now I have a job which pays me a healthy amount more than any of those but is by no means harder physically or even mentally. Right now some of my coworkers who complain about this job have been in it for so long they forgot what honest hard labor fills like and they would never survive in the real world, which is why many commute from an hour+ away to keep working the same job in the same industry. Don’t ever mistake a low paying job with an easy job. Typically you break the cycle by knowing somebody who will get you in somewhere. Or kissing enough ass to the management for them to like you more than the rest. Hanging out with them in personal time, drinking with them etc. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/186 "2011-10-25T11:03:01Z")
> [@FS: Ichibahn Steering Wheel](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-ichibahn-steering-wheel/45771/26): > > I understand that its bad when a union has too much power, but on the other end of the spectrum its really hard when you don't have any pull at all. Where I work, I do several different jobs. Some of those jobs have a lot of prevailing wage work and others don't. At the end of my season I had two different people trying to get me on a "money" crew, if you will, and my bosses didn't want to send me. Keep in mind, the people vouching for me were running the crew. I would have made more money in those six weeks with that crew than I would have all season. > > On top of that, I come back for my fourth year and get a dollar raise, brings me up to 11 dollars an hour. Then I have to work with some fat tub of lard who is brand new and makes the same amount of money as me but mommy owns a company and knows the owner of my company. Kid couldn't find his way out of a paper bag. > > Meanwhile, the business is having a banner year. The managers, vp, and president will all pull in over 100k… much more for the vp and president actually. I will be lucky to pull in 30k this year including unemployment and I was working my dick off. I've been sent out of town on a thursday with little to no notice to work through the weekend. I've worked with second degree burns on my arm and a chemical pneumonia. I recently just pulled a 21 and a half hour day of physical labor, which is illegal. The whole summer I didn't work less than 60 hours and less than 6 days a week. > > Everyone will keep telling me to get a better job and I am sincerely working on that, but what about the guys behind me at my old job? Its going to be the same shit for them. **How do you break that cycle?** Stop working for companies that have political initiatives over fair compensation for their employees; bottom to top. When you go on interviews you should be asking as many questions about the company as they are towards you. As not get get a job and feel like it owns you and you cant get out. I can tell you one company I know of in the capital region, which makes MILLIONS a year. They are a solid foundation, and not going anywhere. They produce something that is NEEDED, not wanted. Their bottom of the barrel guy, “working his balls off” make twice what you are apparently making, with no college degree. This is a job that requires a skill. If you got it, they will see it and give you a chance. If you suck, good by. If you are good, her is your paycheck until you want to leave. And its not a who you know place, you can get hired by them out of Capital Area Help Wanted! Those companies are hard to find, I understand that. BUT, they are one example of a dying trend in the big business society. Sad to say it. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/187 "2011-10-25T11:05:49Z")
> [@Shredd And Reagan Cruise Nights](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shredd-and-reagan-cruise-nights/46067/54): > > +rep. > > For all of those who say “get a better job” you do realize that he won’t likely be working harder for more money if he does, right? > > Some of the hardest working people and some of the worst jobs are some of the least paying jobs. > > Typically the more you make the less work you do. > > I’ve worked my ass off since I was 16 working all sorts of jobs through the time, fast food, paintball fields, gas station attendant, constructions and right now I have a job which pays me a healthy amount more than any of those but is by no means harder physically or even mentally. Right now some of my coworkers who complain about this job have been in it for so long they forgot what honest hard labor fills like and they would never survive in the real world, which is why many commute from an hour+ away to keep working the same job in the same industry. > > Don’t ever mistake a low paying job with an easy job. > > **Typically you break the cycle by knowing somebody who will get you in somewhere. Or kissing enough ass to the management for them to like you more than the rest. Hanging out with them in personal time, drinking with them etc**. again, the more places that break THAT cycle right there, will be the companies that BREAK the cycle AKA the downward spiral the united states is riding as we type! :rofl ---
**Author:** ![streetsweeper1098](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@streetsweeper1098](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/streetsweeper1098)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/188 "2011-10-25T11:06:39Z")
What company is that man? ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/189 "2011-10-25T11:08:09Z")
> [@how you know your mom is fat](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-you-know-your-mom-is-fat/46215/2): > > again, the more places that break THAT cycle right there, will be the companies that BREAK the cycle AKA the downward spiral the united states is riding as we type! :rofl Will never happen. You should look into the Japanese work force and see how insanely different they are than here. It’s fascinating really but it seems to work. The real world, it’s not what you know or how hard you work, it who you know and who likes you. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/190 "2011-10-25T11:17:40Z")
I honestly cant tell you, but I will tell you but it has to do with commercial power components. I know someone in the company, but I shouldn’t be sharing information about them 3rd person like this. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/191 "2011-10-25T11:22:00Z")
> [@Those damned 2 wheel hooligans + Zong](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/those-damned-2-wheel-hooligans-zong/46211/31): > > Will never happen. > > You should look into the Japanese work force and see how insanely different they are than here. It’s fascinating really but it seems to work. > > The real world, it’s not what you know or how hard you work, it who you know and who likes you. Its just a battle. People willing and able to fight will find a way. Again the company I am talking about doesn’t need politics to keep afloat. Far from it. Everyone is a valued employee, and they all understand the “gift” they were given to be apart of the organization. They work accordingly, and take pride in their work. Everyone from the dude sweeping the shop to the CEO! If they figured it out, no reason others haven’t around here or cant. Some of the big players are so deeply rooted it will take alot more work to over turn, but every tree can be knocked over with enough force. ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/192 "2011-10-25T12:36:40Z")
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**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/193 "2011-10-25T15:53:43Z")
The filthy hippie energy of this movement needs to be focused on the government. It is our leaders and their failed policies and rampant spending that have brought this great nation to its knees. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/194 "2011-10-26T11:18:35Z")
> [@OFFICIAL '07-'08 BUFFALO SABRES SEASON THREAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-07-08-buffalo-sabres-season-thread/36504/2787): > > Oh man I can have a field day with you. > > How much physical labor somebody does, always matters when talking about working hard. I’ve been on both sides and having more responsibility doesn’t make you “work harder”. A guy in a warehouse having to move 10,000 pounds of shit a night will work his ass off during the night while the supervisor won’t. Since when is “being responsible” work? > > They are public business because they are a public company as anybody can become a shareholder and it’s open market. If a company is going to waste money on contracts that don’t reward **hard work** from it’s CEO’s and punish **lazy and unsuccesfull CEO’s** I’ll want nothing to do with that company. I’m sure none of the shareholders agree with those contracts either, but clearly they have no voice in the matter, it’s up to the board. > > Again, it’s an easy ass job. I’ve been there. > > You are just something else aren’t you. Fine it’s not real world numbers, lets use some real world examples. You said you wouldn’t take a promotion that paid more because you have to work harder? Then you have no right to tell others to work harder or get a better job. You wouldn’t take a promotion if it came to you? You’d get paid more and you would be taxed more. **Just like in my example** :facepalm > > Another examples of how conservatives are ignorant. It is impossible for US to price match overseas jobs for the same labor. You aren’t going to have people working here to make $10 a day or kids making shoes and Tshirts in sweatshops all day for $5. Get the fuck out of here. > > I don’t remember last time I voted for welfare. Do you? Welfare get’s voted on by people in power who can’t seem to pass any other bill worth a shit that makes any financial sense. People in power vote for welfare because of lobbyists and direct other interests of people who make money off it and encourage the voting for it. **End of story.** > > Partially agree. However you don’t understand what happens when people are removed from welfare. They aren’t just going to go on the street and die or “stay quiet” about it. People will do anything to survive in desperate times. You know what the easiest and popular job over seas that requires no education and pays very well? Criminal activity. This is why gangs are more predominant and mafia is more popular the poorer people get. A guy in wealth pays pretty good money by finding people with nothing else to lose. 1. You’ve never been the ceo of a large corporation which is who you were talking about when you talked about severance packages which is really what my arguement was based on but it still works for low level supervision. - responsibility is not more work if by work you mean the literal definition of the amount of force it takes to perform a task. But even so, the purpose of supervisor is not to continue laying bricks. It’s to coordinate the brick layers to be effective. Noone said it was more physical labor. There is more responsibility which a company entrusts to you even on the lowest levels of supervision which is what I’m going to assume you meant when you said you’ve “done both”.If the laborers continue to fail to perform satisfactorily that is on the supervisor. More risk, more responsibility,more skill, more education, more money. 2.Wrong. Just because a company has shares which CAN be purchased by the public doesn’t make it the entire publics right to make policy for the company. They are willing to sell shares to anyone, they aren’t forcing you therefore if you choose to purchase shares you should probably agree with the dealings of that company. If you don’t have a share, you REALLY have no ground to stand on telling them what to do. If you do owns shares and they are not acting in a way you find ethical, or the board isn’t making decisions you approve of, you have a choice…sell your share and don’t support the company. 1. I do have the right to tell people to get a better job. But I also have a valid argument. Yes, it is true that i would not take a 20000 raise, if I saw 2000 dollars of it, because again 20,000 for a company means more responsibility (evil word i know) or more time or both and the small gain wouldn’t be worth it. But it is also true that I’m not complaining about my salary or taxes and I am content with what I make. This is the fundamental arguement against huge tax rates for the wealthiest Americans. If I make 100k a year, and 50k is taken out why not just work an easier less stressful jobe for 60k a year and take home 45k. In YOUR example of just getting a huge raise with no expectation of more resonsibility of course I’de take it but that wouldn’t happen. Again, if you work for a private business and feel you are underpaid at the bottom, it is private, get another job. 2. It isn’t impossible to compete. I’de say an incentive to hire domestically with taking away double taxation, pay only income tax which could be very low. And the increase in jobs overall in teh country would allow lower taxes per person. 3. I don’t remember the last time I voted for it but I do remember when I voted against it(as often as possible), and I didn’t say you voted for welfare, but there are people out there, beleive it or not who love welfare so much they actually vote for it. EX: The chick at the Obama rally who couldn’t wait for Obama to buy her a car…I’m pretty sure she didn’t much care about his stance on NAFTA. 4. I do actually know what happens when you take welfare away. Not only that, but I know how ridiculous those ON welfare act. Sure crime will surge and it would take some very aggressive and necessary policies to lower the surge. You konw where it starts though? How bout making qualifications for NEW applicants more difficult…that way we weed them out right away. I’m sure many will turn to crime sure, but guess what, thats not my problem…I’m not going to gladly pay scumbags my hard earned money becuase of the threat that they will commit crimes (as if they are all the most law abiding group anyway) Let them commit crimes and be dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/195 "2011-10-28T05:44:35Z")
> [@ef brackets on ITR seats??](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ef-brackets-on-itr-seats/46201/11): > > 1. You’ve never been the ceo of a large corporation which is who you were talking about when you talked about severance packages which is really what my arguement was based on but it still works for low level supervision. > > - responsibility is not more work if by work you mean the literal definition of the amount of force it takes to perform a task. But even so, the purpose of supervisor is not to continue laying bricks. It’s to coordinate the brick layers to be effective. Noone said it was more physical labor. There is more responsibility which a company entrusts to you even on the lowest levels of supervision which is what I’m going to assume you meant when you said you’ve “done both”.If the laborers continue to fail to perform satisfactorily that is on the supervisor. More risk, more responsibility,more skill, more education, more money. You’re really going nowhere with that. There is no risk as the performance is rarely job dependent, maybe they won’t meet their new bonus this year but fuck it, according to your logic why the hell would you even go after the bonus if it’s only going to be heavily taxed and there is a lot more work and responsibility involved in meeting those goals? > [@ef brackets on ITR seats??](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ef-brackets-on-itr-seats/46201/11): > > 2.Wrong. Just because a company has shares which CAN be purchased by the public doesn’t make it the entire publics right to make policy for the company. They are willing to sell shares to anyone, they aren’t forcing you therefore if you choose to purchase shares you should probably agree with the dealings of that company. If you don’t have a share, you REALLY have no ground to stand on telling them what to do. If you do owns shares and they are not acting in a way you find ethical, or the board isn’t making decisions you approve of, you have a choice…sell your share and don’t support the company. No you’re wrong especially once you start considering the bailed out businesses wasting my money away. AIG : post bailout > $86,000 hunting trip: > > “This was an annual event for customers of the AIG property casualty insurance companies in the U.K. and Europe, and planned months before the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s loan to AIG,” company spokesman Peter Tulupman said Wednesday. [http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/](http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/) How about the half million dollar party? > **[government – Orange County Register](https://www.ocregister.com/tag/government/)** And here is the rest of my tax payers money > 86% Bailout Cash Used For CEO Bonuses! > **[Shock!! 86% Bailout Cash Used For CEO Bonuses!](https://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/shock-86-bailout-cash-used-for-ceo-bonuses/)** > > GEF @ 11:58 AM EDT 86% of Bailout Money Used for Executive Bonuses When confronted about these numbers, the executives will always claim that the bonuses are paid out of other funds and company ear… Reward for hard work? They are collecting and living off government money. Remind you of welfare people in suits and BMW’s doesnt it? And I don’t want to hear anything about it being part of the contract, if that money isn’t going to good business use then it shouldn’t be given at all. Rewarding failure is not a good use. > [@ef brackets on ITR seats??](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ef-brackets-on-itr-seats/46201/11): > > 1. I do have the right to tell people to get a better job. But I also have a valid argument. Yes, it is true that i would not take a 20000 raise, if I saw 2000 dollars of it, because again 20,000 for a company means more responsibility (evil word i know) or more time or both and the small gain wouldn’t be worth it. But it is also true that I’m not complaining about my salary or taxes and I am content with what I make. This is the fundamental arguement against huge tax rates for the wealthiest Americans. If I make 100k a year, and 50k is taken out why not just work an easier less stressful jobe for 60k a year and take home 45k. In YOUR example of just getting a huge raise with no expectation of more resonsibility of course I’de take it but that wouldn’t happen. Again, if you work for a private business and feel you are underpaid at the bottom, it is private, get another job. See above. Why not just work at McDonalds? According to your logic you would have no responsibility and low tax. Great life! > [@ef brackets on ITR seats??](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ef-brackets-on-itr-seats/46201/11): > > 1. It isn’t impossible to compete. I’de say an incentive to hire domestically with taking away double taxation, pay only income tax which could be very low. And the increase in jobs overall in teh country would allow lower taxes per person. Not impossible to compete? Go smoke some more of whatever you’re sniffing. If a company according to your logic will do whatever it takes to make a profit, such as going to another country it always will. It is **IMPOSSIBLE** for any business in US to be able to price match cheap Indian and Chienese labor. > [@ef brackets on ITR seats??](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ef-brackets-on-itr-seats/46201/11): > > 1. I don’t remember the last time I voted for it but I do remember when I voted against it(as often as possible), and I didn’t say you voted for welfare, but there are people out there, beleive it or not who love welfare so much they actually vote for it. EX: The chick at the Obama rally who couldn’t wait for Obama to buy her a car…I’m pretty sure she didn’t much care about his stance on NAFTA. You want me to bring up quotes about people who voted for Bush who couldn’t wait for him to nuke the Middle East? How is that an argument. Welfare stays because people make money off it, period. > [@ef brackets on ITR seats??](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ef-brackets-on-itr-seats/46201/11): > > 1. I do actually know what happens when you take welfare away. Not only that, but I know how ridiculous those ON welfare act. Sure crime will surge and it would take some very aggressive and necessary policies to lower the surge. You konw where it starts though? How bout making qualifications for NEW applicants more difficult…that way we weed them out right away. > I’m sure many will turn to crime sure, but guess what, thats not my problem…I’m not going to gladly pay scumbags my hard earned money becuase of the threat that they will commit crimes (as if they are all the most law abiding group anyway) Let them commit crimes and be dealt with. At the end of the day we agree that the government has a spending program and not all welfare recipients are created equal. Testing should be stricter such as drug testing and it should be quite a bit limited time wise. You make it seem like businesses are innocent little things that should be left alone. Well until they stop lobbying and pressuring the government to keep maximizing their profits they aren’t innocent and it is my business not to mention destruction of small business and mom and pop stores by the conglomerates. Here I’ll leave you with this > **[Barton Biggs: Austerity Is a Big Mistake](https://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/barton-biggs-austerity-big-mistake-124734101.html)** > > With half of Europe already committed to some degree of budgetary belt tightening and our own so-called ''Super Committee" mulling ways to slice a trillion dollars out of the federal budget, you'd think the argument for austerity would be a slamdunk,... and this > The Pentagon just gave Lockheed Martin $24 million, atop the billions they’ve already received, > > So why keep the F-22? Politics and money. Surprise! Each time one of the clipped-wing superbaubles is constructed, it taps workers in 44 states across the country. That’s 44 sets of legislators with a cruise missile pointed up their asses to keep those workers working, and to justify the Air Force’s mission to defend the skies. From what? I do not know. But this isn’t likely to change anytime soon—if ever. It’s just the way things work. The weapons industry trumps any rationality of the country those weapons are labeled to defend. It’s self-propagating, self-justifying, entirely an end in itself. > **[The sad odyssey of the F-22: America's big broken toy](https://jalopnik.com/the-sad-odyssey-of-the-f-22-americas-big-broken-toy-5854066)** > > The F-22 has been okayed to fly again, after being grounded, cleared, grounded, then cleared once more—all within a year. And yet, the Air Force hasn't fixed the plane's life threatening flaw. It doesn't seem like it cares. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/196 "2011-10-28T11:30:35Z")
> [@E30 Bottlecaps on a Honda!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/e30-bottlecaps-on-a-honda/46252/25): > > You’re really going nowhere with that. There is no risk as the performance is rarely job dependent, maybe they won’t meet their new bonus this year but fuck it, according to your logic why the hell would you even go after the bonus if it’s only going to be heavily taxed and there is a lot more work and responsibility involved in meeting those goals? Stop speaking as if you know what CEO does because of what NBC says. What are you talking about? How is performance not job dependent? So if a store manager bankrupts a store they keep the store manager? What planet are you from? Some CEO’s are lazy and worthless sure, that doesn’t mean every supervisor does the same thing. A job is dependant on nothing more than the performance of the company is nearly every case. > No you’re wrong especially once you start considering the bailed out businesses wasting my money away. > > AIG : post bailout So, becuase the government chooses to give companies money…you can now run the company? No, don’t vote for politicians who would support such a ridiculous idea. [ > ]([http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/](http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/))[http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/](http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/)[How about the half million dollar party?](http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/)[government – Orange County Register](http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2008/10/02/after-federal-bailout-aig-fetes-in-style-in-oc)[And here is the rest of my tax payers money](http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/)[Shock!! 86% Bailout Cash Used For CEO Bonuses! | Suzie-Que's Truth and Justice Blog](http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/shock-86-bailout-cash-used-for-ceo-bonuses/)[Reward for hard work? They are collecting and living off government money. Remind you of welfare people in suits and BMW’s doesnt it? > > And I don’t want to hear anything about it being part of the contract, if that money isn’t going to good business use then it shouldn’t be given at all. Rewarding failure is not a good use. ]([http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/](http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/10/17/aig-execs-caught-wasting-even-more-of-our-money-after-bailout/)) Then stop voting for liberal politicians including Republicans who involve themselves in these types of absurd behaviors. > See above. Why not just work at McDonalds? According to your logic you would have no responsibility and low tax. Great life! I don’t see what your saying. According to my logic it isn’t worth doing significantly more work, getting a massive raise, and seeing 10 percent in Net income. I never said making 12,000 dollars a year full time pretax was a great life. > Not impossible to compete? Go smoke some more of whatever you’re sniffing. If a company according to your logic will do whatever it takes to make a profit, such as going to another country it always will. It is **IMPOSSIBLE** for any business in US to be able to price match cheap Indian and Chienese labor. I see you complaining about that problem alot but the only solution i see from you, tax them more which is exactly counterproductive. …labor is not the only way to incentivise something. Import tariffs could be used, less taxes, less liberal nonsense regulations could allow companies to streamline prodcution processes without all the beurocracy saving them more money, ect. Or we could do the liberal thing and tax them even more so when they lay off more people they can’t afford, we can pay for their welfare… > You want me to bring up quotes about people who voted for Bush who couldn’t wait for him to nuke the Middle East? How is that an argument. Welfare stays because people make money off it, period. You could bring quotes up about nuking the middle east, but i dunno how that would further your argument on the issue that people vote for welfare…that just means people also vote for dropping a nuke…irrelevant… Welfare is supported and expanded to reach more people because for the most part, if a voter knows they are going to be getting money, or assistance without needing to work for it, they support it and also the candidate proposing it. Sure people make money off it too but from a politicians point of veiw its a vote grabber. > At the end of the day we agree that the government has a spending program and not all welfare recipients are created equal. Testing should be stricter such as drug testing and it should be quite a bit limited time wise. Drug testing, time line, repeated or violent felonies, ect and reinstitute capital punishment across the country is a step in the right direction to counteract the big bad criminals who will be “forced” to break the law because of their awful situations. Further, if a person walks a mile and a half to the social services building to get their welfare check…they can be given a nonskilled job such as cleaning the streets/washing graffiti/hand digging roads for all, 40 hours a week, before they get their check > You make it seem like businesses are innocent little things that should be left alone. Well until they stop lobbying and pressuring the government to keep maximizing their profits they aren’t innocent and it is my business not to mention destruction of small business and mom and pop stores by the conglomerates. Sure you can have an opinion but you have no right to tell a private business (whether traded publicly or not) how to run their business. If they break a law, they should charged. Otherwise let them fail and if you don’t like them don’t support or invest in them. If you don’t like that the gov’t gives them money, vote for those who wont. There are ways for small business to be succesful even aginst the largest corporations, especially in this age of technology which makes product, vendors, and information readily available. > Here I’ll leave you with this > [Barton Biggs: Austerity Is a Big Mistake](http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/barton-biggs-austerity-big-mistake-124734101.html) > > and this > > [The sad odyssey of the F-22: America's big broken toy](http://jalopnik.com/5854066/the-sad-odyssey-of-the-f+22-americas-broken-24-billion-toy) What do you mean protect from who? Anyone else! There is no war going on right now between super powers. However, what happens when in 20 years we go to war with…Russia, China, whoever, and we havn’t continued to innovate, build, and put up to date weapons in service? We get crushed using f-20’s when other countries are using more advanced weaponry. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/197 "2011-10-28T11:41:44Z")
The amount of ignorant statements and accusations I see in this thread are ridiculous. I’m not at all surprised as to who is saying most of them, considering he is king of attempts to put words in others’ mouths. ---
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/198 "2011-11-16T14:08:10Z")
saw this in the news today: > **[Occupy Wall Street: New York stories](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15746240)** > > BBC News website readers have been sending in their reaction to the Occupy Wall Street protest camp. > Melanie Beaudette, Brooklyn, New York > Melanie Beaudette > > I stand with Occupy Wall Street and have been down at Zuccotti Park protesting since the beginning. > > The American dream is a dangerous myth so steeped in capitalism that even those of us trying to do the so-called right thing can drown in a sea of debt and false promises. > > I was working on my **PhD in history and women’s studies** when it became clear that I was thousands of dollars in debt and had at least a year or two to finish my dissertation. > > **I couldn’t afford the expense so I moved to New York City** , with no money and no job, to be close to my family. > > I am in the process of being certified to teach history in New York City public schools, where good teachers are desperately needed, but the process is tedious and expensive. > > Occupy Wall Street is an amazing amalgamation of strong-spirited revolutionaries. > > While I don’t agree with everyone’s point of view or individual causes, it is so culturally salient that people are finally out in the streets protesting instead of just “liking” causes on Facebook. > > **I have nearly been** charged by police horses, pepper-sprayed, beaten, and arrested. > > Today the police and Mayor Bloomberg cleared the park. My cousin jumped out of bed at 04:00 to rush down there. I wish I could have joined her. > > This is merely a bump in the road that actually serves to demonstrate the legitimacy of OWS. > > I am too educated and inspired to be sitting at a corporate temp desk job with huge student loans and no relief in sight. 🤣rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/199 "2011-11-16T14:46:35Z")
LOL. “I chose to pursue a degree that will allow me to get a job in a ridiculous field (history is not ridiculous, but it’s not easy to make money unless teaching at a university), so I believe the government should be paying back those ridiculously large student loans.” ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647/200 "2011-11-16T14:54:45Z")
> [@fs:audition and old boy](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-audition-and-old-boy/46212/4): > > want a nice little Car related reality check on how the “cheap” labor is fucking this country??? > > [http://htarchive.org/showthread.php?t=2267900](http://htarchive.org/showthread.php?t=2267900) > > Take a look at the first 10-20 pages, look at the quality of work, the quality of cars and how his business was taking off. > > Now skip to the last 5 pages, 4 years later. A rash of “knock off” shops in his area effectively shut his doors down. They produce the “same” products but are undercutting the prices so bad it made is work look over priced and excessive. Same with outsourcing shit overseas. The quality will get the customer by, but its KILLING our quality VALUE driven companies her in our country. Exact same thing this guy dealt with, just on a smaller scale. > > The 30 shit hole shops around him take zero pride in their work, dont have the drive and experience to make a quality part and are just out to make a quick buck and not look for the long run. > > There is your real world example of how that shit happens. This is how jap cars took on American cars and won… Price won, then eventually the japs made better cars with all the sales and they created a long run…and then of course the unions did American cars in. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/occupy-wallstreet/260647.md?page=11)