# OFFICIAL: 2008 ELECTION THREAD **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 3, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192 "2008-01-03T18:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/461 "2008-03-05T11:57:55Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > So it was our dick swinging that got us attacked on 9/11? I’m pretty sure in the 8 years leading up to 9/11 the only dick swinging that was going on was Clinton’s in Monica’s mouth. Unpossible. See, Billy (and I liked him for alot of reasons) could’ve pulled the trigger on Osama, but didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/462 "2008-03-05T11:58:41Z")
#1 What made them hate us? Years and years of international interference. #2 Was it preventable? Debatable. If so, it would be by intelligence and homeland defense. Two things that are stretched thin by the war. #3 Did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? No. Living in fear of terrorist attacks should not be American policy. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/463 "2008-03-05T11:58:59Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > excuse me? > [@Joe](#): > > A good start is to elect leaders that will think **twice before making dick-swinging stupid decisions that increase the likelihood of terrorist attacks.** (ie. NOT George Bush, John McCain) > [@JayS](#): > > So it was our dick swinging that got us attacked on 9/11? I’m pretty sure in the 8 years leading up to 9/11 the only dick swinging that was going on was Clinton’s in Monica’s mouth. . ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/464 "2008-03-05T11:59:52Z")
I thought he was talking to me… sorry ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/465 "2008-03-05T12:00:08Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > excuse me? You seem to be arguing that the US has made a terrorist attack much more likely by going into Iraq. It’s funny, because the first attack on US soil was after 8 years of one of the most pacifist foreign policies in recent times. If 8 years of basically leaving them alone didn’t work then, what makes you think withdrawing now will suddenly make them stop hating us? Quick update Joe. As long as we keep supporting Israel, which we always will, Islamic extremists will plot against us. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/466 "2008-03-05T12:01:10Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > #1 What made them hate us? Years and years of international interference. **How do you come up with this? Proof please. Are you a part of a sleeper cell?** > #2 Was it preventable? Debatable. If so, it would be by intelligence and homeland defense. Two things that are stretched thin by the war. **It? The 9/11 attack or the war in Iraq?** > > #3 Did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? No. **Hindsight is always 20/20 aint it?** > > Living in fear of terrorist attacks should not be American policy. **Thats a choice You make at a personal level.** :loopie: ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/467 "2008-03-05T12:01:34Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Quick update Joe. As long as we keep supporting Israel, which we always will, Islamic extremists will plot against us. You must’ve paid attention to history class… I have no idea how you did this considering that you were working while in school and stuff. 👏 ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/468 "2008-03-05T12:02:19Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > It’s funny, because the first attack on US soil was after 8 years of one of the most pacifist foreign policies in recent times. Reagan’s first term? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/469 "2008-03-05T12:02:25Z")
Did invading Iraq make us any safer from terrorism? Please explain. I’d like to think I got something for my $20,000 besides a cell phone video of Saddam being hanged and a few of my friends being wounded. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/470 "2008-03-05T12:04:13Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > You must’ve paid attention to history class… I have no idea how you did this considering that you were working while in school and stuff. 👏 Maybe if I would have had a 4k a year grant I could have been out drinking and destroying enough brain cells that this logic would make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/471 "2008-03-05T12:05:04Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Did invading Iraq make us any safer from terrorism? OooOoOOhhh existential questions make for great politcal decisions. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/472 "2008-03-05T12:06:09Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Maybe if I would have had a 4k a year grant I could have been out drinking and destroying enough brain cells that this logic would make sense. Did you go to private school for K-12? ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/473 "2008-03-05T12:06:39Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > OooOoOOhhh existential questions make for great politcal decisions. the answer is no ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/474 "2008-03-05T12:08:13Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > the answer is no Wheres the proof? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/475 "2008-03-05T12:08:31Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > Did you go to private school for K-12? No ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/476 "2008-03-05T12:09:22Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > OooOoOOhhh existential questions make for great politcal decisions. You or Jay asked me the same question, except in reverse, of how the war made us more at risk for terrorism. They used it as justification for starting the attack. The burden of proof is on the side that wants to spend the money and lives. Imagine if a corporation spent that much money and lost some of their best employees on a new project designed to make things easier. When rating its effectiveness, the question to ask is “Has it made things easier?” “It hasn’t made things any harder” is not an acceptable answer. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/477 "2008-03-05T12:09:25Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > the answer is no The answer is yes. It’s a stupid question. We can both make arguments for our positions, but there is no way to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/478 "2008-03-05T12:11:51Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > You or Jay asked me the same question, except in reverse, of how the war made us more at risk for terrorism. They used it as justification for starting the attack. The burden of proof is on the side that wants to spend the money. Imagine if a corporation spent that much money and lost some of their best employees on a new project designed to make things easier. When rating its effectiveness, do you think a debatable statment “Well it hasn’t made things any harder” would be satisfactory performance? Wasn’t me. The administration (including a congress populated by Hilary & Obama) acted on information that was found to be faulty **later on**. This is pretty commonly accepted. Its a shitty answer, but mistakes happen. It happened. Now is has to be dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/479 "2008-03-05T12:13:41Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > You or Jay asked me the same question, except in reverse, of how the war made us more at risk for terrorism. They used it as justification for starting the attack. The burden of proof is on the side that wants to spend the money and lives. Imagine if a corporation spent that much money and lost some of their best employees on a new project designed to make things easier. When rating its effectiveness, the question to ask is “Has it made things easier?” “It hasn’t made things any harder” is not an acceptable answer. List all of the terrorist attacks on US soil after the day we invaded Iraq. :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/480 "2008-03-05T12:14:39Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > It happened. Now is has to be dealt with. Agreed. Is the best man to deal with it someone who says he would make the same faulty decision again, someone who learned from the mistake and says they would make a different choice, or someone who made another choice from the beginning? A wise man learns from his mistakes, not escalates them. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192.md?page=25)