# OFFICIAL: 2008 ELECTION THREAD **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 3, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192 "2008-01-03T18:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 880
**Author:** ![The\_Russian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the_russian/32/7414_2.png) [@The\_Russian](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The_Russian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192/880 "2008-06-12T23:58:53Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > If you feel so strongly about it why didn’t you enlist and go fight the insurgents. I can’t, too many concussions from hockey. I tried. > [@StrokedZ28](#): > > I’m sorry for your loss, individual troops may have success stories here and there but if the overall war is lost then it was a waste. I understand the need to make thier deaths mean somthing, no one wants to think thier lives were wasted, they served thier country but they should never have been there in the first place, your uncle included. > > I don’t understand how you can sit there and watch your friends go off to war to not come back given the pretences as to why they are there. We were lied to. We were told that Iraq was behind 9/11 and that Saddam had or was trying to make WMD’s and were a threat to us. Niether were true. > > If you really thought this through, looked at what is actually happening, you should be more upset than me. I have not lost anyone in this war and I’m still pissed that its happening. > > How can you sit there after loosing friends over there and not want to scream at Bush and Cheny and Rumsfeld and Rice?! With all the evidence that has shown that this war was a mistake how can you still defend them? Its people like you that give such blind support to Bush that allow him to keep sending young men and women over to that hell hole. I supported the ideal of getting rid of a ruthless dictator and freeing those people of the abuses of Saddam, and I think that once we realized there were not WMD’s and the iraqis had some sort of gov’t set up we shoulda bailed then. and then I would have my friends still. From what my friends tell me that are there, things are getting better and safer, But these people have been fighting for 2000 some odd years, once we leave they will restart. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Let me ask you a simple question, what would you call deaths in a war started on false pretenses? You state that your friends did not die in vein, but they’re fighting for a people who do not want them. > > I too have friends over in Iraq and all of them have said “the Iraqis don’t give a shit about us”. So let me ask you another question, how do you win a war if the people you are fighting for don’t want you there? People dont always know whats best for them(holy ignorant statement), but its kinda true. Yes a lot of citizens think we are doing more harm then good, but Im not sure they are seeing the bigger picture. The information we had at the time about the situation in iraq was good, it didnt turn up later after we were steadfast in there that the information was flawed. And to answer your last question, that is the hardest part. The biggest problem i have with all of this is. If we do just pull out fast, then all of those deaths will have been for nothing, since it will return to normal for them, If we can even give them a fleeting chance at a true government and democracy that might last even 6 months, i think then we did our best given the circumstances and we made some change for the better. I do not think they will ever be democratic, it will shift from dictator to dictator. Thats all for now. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-2008-election-thread/41192)._