# Official NYSpeed bomb the livery meet thread.
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [June 26, 2008, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657 "2008-06-26T13:39:58Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@Joehip](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joehip)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/41 "2008-06-27T12:26:31Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> :lolham::lolham::lolham::lolham::lolham::lolham::lolham:
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> OH BOY! ETHANOL! Just what the Buffalo waterfront needs, more industry. Even better, an industry that is causing more harm than good.
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> This is going to look great in the middle of the business/greenspace/housing that Buffalo is trying to put on the waterfront:
I agree that an ethanol plant on the waterfront may not be the best idea, I am curious as to why you think ethanol is doing more harm than good?
I have been working with one of the process engineers designing the buffalo plant and if the design he is proposing goes through it would be one of the most efficient ethanol plants in the country.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/42 "2008-06-27T12:27:08Z")
> [@dozr](#):
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> I do know how the west side used to be, granted I was not alive - but I do know.
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> My point is that it is finally getting better (rather than continuing to get worse), and there are a ton of people working hard to see it happen, street by street. It’s not going to happen quickly, but it is happening. Look at streets like baynes… I know several people who have bought houses on that street that would have never thought about living there 5 years ago.
very true. 2 people I know bought houses over that way and completely remodeled them. They’re beautiful now.
still need to remove the trash though… just a few streets away there’s graffiti all over and bullet holes in the stop signs/house siding
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### Author:  [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/43 "2008-06-27T12:27:10Z")
> [@dozr](#):
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> I do know how the west side used to be, granted I was not alive - but I do know.
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> My point is that it is finally getting better (rather than continuing to get worse), and there are a ton of people working hard to see it happen, street by street. It’s not going to happen quickly, but it is happening. Look at streets like baynes… I know several people who have bought houses on that street that would have never thought about living there 5 years ago.
ok a bit of a turnaround, how about california st. Used to be so nice, now look at it, it drove both of my cousins out after they had lived there for 40 years.
so while some of the places might be getting better, alot are still not.
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### Author:  [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/44 "2008-06-27T12:28:44Z")
Sorry, I did forget there are nice area’s around there. I’m speaking more towards Grant, forest etc. A few blocks over. I love Buffalo, but until something drastic happens, I could not and will not sit around waiting for jobs and a better economy. I might be back one day, we will see.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/45 "2008-06-27T12:30:01Z")
> [@Joehip](#):
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> I agree that an ethanol plant on the waterfront may not be the best idea, I am curious as to why you think ethanol is doing more harm than good?
Cliff notes, because for the first time in the history of man we’re taking a food crop that the world needs and burning it for fuel. Logicially it ranks right up there will selling your car to buy gas and cutting off your nose to spite your face.
A more detailed explaination:
> **[Is America Headed for a Food Shortage?](https://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2007-06/america-headed-food-shortage/)**
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> Ethanol is a renewable, homegrown fuel that can help lower U.S. dependence on foreign oil. But as more and more ethanol is made from corn, less and less corn is available for food production, and that´s causing some unforeseen problems. Corn is a...
Washington Post:
> **[Siphoning Off Corn to Fuel Our Cars - washingtonpost.com](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/29/ST2008042903585.html?sid=ST2008042903585)**
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> CHARLES CITY, Iowa Erwin Johnson picks up a clump of the dark, rich soil that he has farmed for 35 years, like his father and grandfather before him. In a few months, this flat expanse of northern Iowa will be crowded with corn ready to be trucked...
And as much as I despise Kennedy:
[http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200805/POL20080501a.html](http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200805/POL20080501a.html)
And what a shock the senator from IDAHO, a major CORN STATE that pretty much was given a license to print money with the ethanol subsidies, doesn’t see a problem.
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### Author:  [@dozr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dozr)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/46 "2008-06-27T12:34:18Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> I just can’t understand how people in Buffalo think.
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> So they’re sitting around saying:
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> “We’re going to have this casino”
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> “And this beautiful waterfront”
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> You know what would go great with this stuff, an industrial complex complete with a bunch of tanker rail cars!
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> :picard:
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> The only saving grace is that the way ethanol is heading in the media and political circles both of the companies involved may go bust in time for this to be reclaimed for something worth while.
I am less excited about ethanol, and more excited about the opportunity for Buffalo to again become a grain storage and transportation hub, which is a huge part of this project, given the number of vacant elevators and growing storage needs.
The industrial complexes are already there… This is not something new to the area, and it is not on the waterfront. The old first ward is virtually all industrial brownfields as it is, so I will take a functioning, job generating business over what is there now - regardless if I agree with product they product. The grain industry is what built this city to begin with, so we should welcome it back with open arms.
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### Author:  [@Joehip](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joehip)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/47 "2008-06-27T13:01:03Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> Cliff notes, because for the first time in the history of man we’re taking a food crop that the world needs and burning it for fuel.
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> A more detailed explaination:
> [Is America Headed for a Food Shortage?](http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2007-06/america-headed-food-shortage)
You are right, ethanol produced from corn alone would be a bad idea, and that is how most of our ethanol is produced currently. Cellulosic ethanol is the direction we are heading which will greatly ease the fuel vs food issue. The ethanol industry in the US is in its infancy, so there will be some growing pains associated with its growth to get to xx billions of gallons by 2020 as mandated by the govt.
You also have to consider what is worse? increased food prices, or continued dependency on foreign oil? IMO, we are making strides in the right direction.
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### Author:  [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/48 "2008-06-27T21:45:54Z")
> [@BuickGN](#):
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> haha your worried about the property value in the west side???
I post my reply sitting in the $250,000 house I live in, 2 blocks away from the livery.
richmond is a great street, as is jersey.
I actually almost bought a house on pennsylvania, but it sold before I could get to it. for $200,000
there are some incredible parts of the west side right now, and it’s only growing. every few years 1 more block west becomes nicer.
west side til I die
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### Author:  [@BadnewsMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BadnewsMike)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/49 "2008-06-28T03:15:29Z")
I live westside/allentown and love it… I park a 30k car out front with no problems…
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### Author:  [@dawn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dawn)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/50 "2008-06-28T04:34:18Z")
> [@Fry](#):
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> :lol: Once the plants get built and go online and are ready to produce their first shipment the nature humpers will have the whole operation shut down because the ship traffic will disrupt the natural habitat of a zebra mussel.
ZEBRA MUSSEL!
can’t stop laughing.
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### Author:  [@vweegit](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vweegit)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/51 "2008-06-28T05:51:22Z")
> [@Fry](#):
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> :lol: Once the plants get built and go online and are ready to produce their first shipment the nature humpers will have the whole operation shut down because the ship traffic will disrupt the natural habitat of a zebra mussel.
Don’t forget that while excavating the site, they’ll discover an old outhouse that Frank Lloyd Wright took a dump in, and shut the whole thing down for 10 years while its being built.
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### Author:  [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/52 "2008-06-28T06:05:10Z")
i really like living in buffalo. I prefer parkside to richmond, but richmond isn’t bad (although that is where my truck’s window was smashed…)
At any rate, as fuel costs increase all around, expect to see an exodus BACK to the city.
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### Author:  [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2008, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/53 "2008-06-28T08:28:29Z")
> [@badnewsmini](#):
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> I live westside/allentown and love it… I park a 30k car out front with no problems…
heh, I think I know where you must live. You ever come out to see your car covered in toilet paper? I was wondering who that belonged to/who did that
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### Author:  [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2008, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/54 "2008-07-01T11:24:55Z")
[http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/382654.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/382654.html)
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### Author:  [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2008, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/55 "2008-07-01T11:28:07Z")
> [@evolve](#):
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> [http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/382654.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/382654.html)
please no HUD homes, please no HUD homes, please no HUD homes.
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2008, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nyspeed-bomb-the-livery-meet-thread/50657/56 "2008-07-01T11:59:52Z")
> [@evolve](#):
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> [http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/382654.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/382654.html)
I hope that works out.
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