# Oh Shit N Korea Just did a Nuke test!! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 8, 2006, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627 "2006-10-08T19:51:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dmoffitt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dmoffitt/32/7455_2.png) [@dmoffitt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dmoffitt)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/41 "2006-10-09T20:20:04Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > Or do you just want to have a sit-in to protest war with all the other hippies while these psychos take over the world? hahahahha PWND. ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/42 "2006-10-10T06:41:04Z")
> [@dmoffitt](#): > > hahahahha PWND. Hardly… The war in Iraq was like throwing water on Gremlins in terms of terrorism and terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/43 "2006-10-10T06:42:20Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > Hardly… The war in Iraq was like throwing water on Gremlins in terms of terrorism and terrorists. WTF does that have to do with what he quoted? ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/44 "2006-10-10T06:46:17Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > WTF does that have to do with what he quoted? You said, > [@AWDrifter](#): > > Or do you just want to have a sit-in to protest war with all the other hippies **while these psychos take over the world?** Half of these psychos would not be as hard-core and militant if we didn’t go into Iraq in the first place. Savy? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Russian](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the_russian/32/7414_2.png) [@The\_Russian](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The_Russian)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/45 "2006-10-10T06:48:27Z")
lol at the accurate gremlins refereance ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/46 "2006-10-10T06:55:32Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > So you think Iraq is the way to go? > Or do you just want to have a sit-in to protest war with all the other hippies while these psychos take over the world? > What’s the answer Joe? Iraq is clearly not the way to go. We fucked up in so many ways with the planning of the Iraq war it’s almost funny. N. Korea can be contained with food and money. They just want to feel important because that country is on the brink of collapse. If you want a military solution to the problem it’s covert operations. The problem with that is you have China who’s also a communist country. But I promise you this, if you drop bombs on N. Korea, China is not going to be happy. The answer to containing NK is through the UN. Period. Iran feels, and I think rightfully so, that they have a right to develop nuclear technology. The hard-line “Fuck you, no you can’t” stance isn’t going to get us anywhere except closer to conflict. REAL diplomacy with Iran is the way to go. Iran is ripe for an internal revolution in the next couple decades we need to contain them until then with diplomacy. Sending Condi in on one trip and then having the president and vice president sabre rattling to get political support from the base isn’t going to get you very far. And both this countries got serious about pissing the US off after we invaded Iraq. N.K. dropped out of the non-proliferation deal one month after invasion. Iran started flexing nuclear muscle once it saw that we couldn’t handle the Iraq war. Iraq & Saddam and the appearance of WMD was our biggest asset in containing Iran. Don’t forget the only reason Saddam lied about having weapons was to prevent Iran from invading Iraq. And to all the people who say “Saddam killed his own people” guess what? We’ve killed more Iraqis in 3 years than he did in a decade. And what do we have to show for it? The Iraqi government is instituting Saddam’s old laws, they’re putting journalists in jail who disagree with the government. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. ---
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/47 "2006-10-10T06:56:04Z")
We didn’t do anything in Iraq to make things worse but allow the world to see how we as a country second guess eachother on every little silly thing, we look like retards to the rest of the free world. If we would go in, get shit done and the worry about the politics, things would work out better. People that say that we are making this worse, are being kinda silly. If you leave a bully alone at school, does the problem go away, if we take all of the cops out of the inner city, will that problem get any better, no on both accounts, same with this. We need to bitch slap these countries, and put them back into thier places, plain and simple. Ive llived and served in Korea, and Afghanistan, both times for a good bit of time. Our take on the world sitting on our couches is the problem, we don’t relate to these people, we think we can reason with them. In afghanistan, i have to put a gun to the head of a person just to get them from approaching my helicopter. In korea we have to use a bigger threat than they give use, because anything less, would just prove our weakness to them, and they will continue to do what they want. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/48 "2006-10-10T06:56:09Z")
Well according to CNN it hasn’t even been confirmed that they tested a nuke. Plus this: > A North Korean official, meanwhile, said Pyongyang would return to international arms talks and abandon its atomic program if the U.S. takes “corresponding measures,” South Korea’s Yonhap news agency reported Tuesday. They got nothing. They’re just trying to get paid to not make nukes. Fuck em. Get China on our side, impose economic sanctions, and choke the fuckers off. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/49 "2006-10-10T06:56:43Z")
[http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/10/korea.nuclear.test/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/10/korea.nuclear.test/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Tunerfreak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tunerfreak/32/7427_2.png) [@Tunerfreak](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tunerfreak)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/50 "2006-10-10T07:47:00Z")
yea the white house has not confirmed it but the sizemicgraps (sp?) confirm it happened ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/51 "2006-10-10T07:58:13Z")
> [@BikerFry](#): > > Well according to CNN it hasn’t even been confirmed that they tested a nuke. Plus this: > > They got nothing. They’re just trying to get paid to not make nukes. Fuck em. Get China on our side, impose economic sanctions, and choke the fuckers off. I agree with Jimbo here, I think we need to get China in our corner and then we can leverage NK a lot easier. I think the Chinese realise the ramifications if NK decides to go to war with the US. It works the other way as well because we don’t want China as our enemy either. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/52 "2006-10-10T07:58:53Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > Half of these psychos would not be as hard-core and militant if we didn’t go into Iraq in the first place. Savy? Wow. You honestly believe that? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/53 "2006-10-10T08:07:19Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > Wow. > You honestly believe that? > Wow. It’s very true. Certainly in the case of Iran. > [@Axis of Evil comes back to haunt US](#): > > Nearly five years after President Bush introduced the concept of an “axis of evil” comprising Iraq, Iran and North Korea, the administration has reached a crisis point with each nation: **North Korea has claimed it conducted its first nuclear test, Iran refuses to halt its uranium-enrichment program, and Iraq appears to be tipping into a civil war 3 1/2 years after the U.S.-led invasion.** > > **Each problem appears to feed on the others** , making the stakes higher and requiring Bush and his advisers to make difficult calculations, analysts and U.S. officials said. **_The deteriorating situation in Iraq has undermined U.S. diplomatic credibility and limited the administration’s military options, making rogue countries increasingly confident that they can act without serious consequences._** Iran, meanwhile, will be watching closely the diplomatic fallout from North Korea’s apparent test as a clue to how far it might go with its own nuclear program. > > 2002 State of the Union speech > > In Bush’s 2002 State of the Union address, a speech designed to shift the political debate from a battle against al-Qaeda to a possible confrontation with Iraq, the president mentioned North Korea, Iraq and Iran and declared: “States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. . . . In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.” > > **All three issues came to a head in 2003: The United States invaded Iraq and discovered no weapons of mass destruction; North Korea began to obtain weapons-grade plutonium from fuel rods that had been under international observation; and Iran disclosed that it had made rapid progress with a previously secret uranium-enrichment program.** > > In contrast to its handling of Iraq, the administration has tried to resolve the North Korean and Iranian nuclear breakouts with diplomacy. But progress has been slow, in part because the **United States has been reluctant to hold bilateral talks with either country except within the context of broader talks with other nations.** > > Former senator Sam Nunn (D-Ga.) faulted the administration for **focusing on Iraq first, when greater threats loomed in North Korea and Iran**. “We started with Iraq in the ‘axis of evil’ side, when we thought they did not yet have nuclear weapons, and that sent the signal to others that they better get them quick,” he said. “I think we started on the wrong end of that.” > > James B. Steinberg, said the North Korea test will raise a larger question that echoes Ronald Reagan’s most famous 1980 campaign line – “With respect to the axis of evil,” Steinberg said, “are you better off today than you were four years ago? . . . It’s clear that the answer is we’re worse off with respect to the nuclear proliferation problem in both North Korea and Iran than four to six years ago, and I would argue we’re worse off in our overall security because of the situation in Iraq.” ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/54 "2006-10-10T08:14:40Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > Wow. > You honestly believe that? > Wow. Yeah, the US presence in Iraq did recruit any hardcore terrorists at all. :roll: Just like there were WMD’s in Iraq Just like Mission Accomplished Just like Iraq was responsible for 9/11 ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/55 "2006-10-10T08:20:02Z")
Yeah, these were all peace loving nations until that day that Bush used the term “axis of evil”. This thread is now in funny mode. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/56 "2006-10-10T08:21:49Z")
the point is they got MORE dangerous as a result of the Iraq war ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/57 "2006-10-10T08:42:28Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > Yeah, these were all peace loving nations until that day that Bush used the term “axis of evil”. > This thread is now in funny mode. Not at all but there was no Al Qaudia in Iraq before the war in Iraq. Maybe if your homeboy Bush had gone after Osama and finished the job with US TROOPS instead of handing the job over to the worldly reknown and reliable Afgani’s, it would have been the problem it is today. I figure it’s probably the correct response since 9/11 was the result of Osama’s planning, not Sadaam. But hey, we all make mistakes, right? 10’s of thousands of people have died but everyone gets a mulligan. :roll: ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/58 "2006-10-10T08:52:12Z")
I don’t get how the purpose of the 2003 Iraq war got so fucking skewed by the media. It didn’t have dick to do with terrorism, although Bush resorted to that to try and sell it. Here’s how it went down: 1961 - Britain gives up Kuwait 1961 - Iraq tries to take Kuwait 1961 - Arab league recognizes Kuwait’s independence, ending Iraq’s attempt to annex 1990 - Iraq invades Kuwait in another attempt to annex **_1990 - UN intervenes and stops Iraq_** 1991 - UN drives Iraq out, passes resolutions that order Iraq to cease weapons programs and continually cooperate with UN weapons inspectors 1998 - Iraq totally stops cooperating with UN weapons inspectors, in complete defiance of UN resolutions passed in 1991 **_2003 - US enforces UN resolutions passed on a country that has already proven itself aggressive and violent_** Hence there are only 3 reasonable viewpoints on the 2003 war that I can think of: 1. We should not have gotten involved when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. 2. We should have waited for full UN support to enforce the resolutions passed on Iraq. 3. We did the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/59 "2006-10-10T09:06:29Z")
You forgot to mention “Iraq allows weapons inspectors back in and Iraq releases documents saying it has no weapons of mass destruction, the UN and US didn’t believe them, US told UN inspectors to leave before being able to finish the job at confirming Iraq has no WMD and invaded” ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627/60 "2006-10-10T10:06:51Z")
> [@JoesTypeS](#): > > You forgot to mention “Iraq allows weapons inspectors back in and Iraq releases documents saying it has no weapons of mass destruction, the UN and US didn’t believe them, US told UN inspectors to leave before being able to finish the job at confirming Iraq has no WMD and invaded” And you forgot to mention that the inspectors were being told, “you can look here, but not here, here or here”. That’s like me going in for a NY inspection on my car and saying, “Check out these tail lights, but don’t look at my brakes, exhaust, or check engine light.”. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/oh-shit-n-korea-just-did-a-nuke-test/18627.md?page=4)