# ok, NOW I'm scared **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640 "2009-01-28T12:00:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/81 "2009-01-29T11:13:29Z")
> [@FS: 91 honda accord](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-91-honda-accord/13274/10): > > how dense can you be? How did me mentioning me being a consultant come off like I’m holier than thou? If you knew anything about the IT world then you’d understand why I brought it up. Since you didn’t, it just further proves my point on how clueless you are. Consultant work is VERY risky. We usually get tossed into projects expecting to perform immediately. Hiring process is usually much more involved because of that. I simply brought it to prove my experience. Not too sure how you read it as me bragging. Being a consultant is nothing to brag about AT ALL. I’d much rather be a FTE in a secure company. > > don’t really see how any of this is relevant, yet again. Maybe you are just rambling about stuff in some lame attempt to get my off course… not really sure. Don’t give a shit who are what your bro does. Career management? hahaha. Is that like a life coach? > > You are 22, been at the same job forever and you think you know how the IT world works. For some reason you insist on arguing with me when I know the way the industry works WAY better than you. Not too sure why that is, but suit yourself. > > I’ve already stated that I think certs are a complete joke AND I’ve also stated that some companies do care about them. I can prove my point over and over again. Singh agreed with me, but it must be the cool thing to argue with me since you didn’t address him :shifty. > > …ok…so??? > > boring, it can be, but it pays the bills better 😃 > > you have a serious comprehension issue. I never said furthing your education is worthless… I said certs ARE. BIG difference. Certs are just a test of what you know, they don’t teach you anything. Getting one just proves your worth. Paying for some cert to prove your worth is lame. And then flaunting it around like it’s some amazing accomplishment is even worse. there is no substitute for education and experience. You’re unbelievable. I don’t know why I keep arguing with you. I’d imagine someone as “smart” and “experienced” as you would know the benefit of certs or any eduction for that matter. I guess I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/82 "2009-01-29T11:27:12Z")
> [@Sony Strikes Back...Sort Of...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sony-strikes-back-sort-of/13269/7): > > why, does it bother you that this thread has stayed on topic for so long? Yes, yet it does. ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/83 "2009-01-29T11:28:16Z")
> [@\*\*\*\*\*Official: Mighty Meet Thread\*\*\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-mighty-meet-thread/10918/241): > > You’re unbelievable. I don’t know why I keep arguing with you. I’d imagine someone as “smart” and “experienced” as you would know the benefit of certs or any eduction for that matter. I guess I was wrong. news flash: you don’t know everything. There are many people out there that actually know more than you. Accept it and learn from them. Again, (I’ll put it in bold for you this time)… **a certification is not a form of education** if you were to rank these are far as importance then how you rank them? education experience certs whats the most important and whats the least? ---
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/84 "2009-01-29T12:10:38Z")
Experience Education Certs That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get them or waste your time with them. People will notice them if you have them. That is my point. And if all the other variables are equal (education/experience), I’m willing to bet $0.34 in my pocket that the person with more certs will be looked at more seriously than someone with zero certs. THAT IS MY POINT. Just because YOU deem it not worth it, doesn’t mean the IT world does. ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/85 "2009-01-29T12:21:44Z")
okay enough of all this shit Find me a better job ready… GO! ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/86 "2009-01-29T12:23:37Z")
yes sir almighty networking guru, I cower to thee’s wisdom ---
**Author:** ![big\_red](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/big_red/32/6328_2.png) [@big\_red](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/big_red)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/87 "2009-01-29T12:24:02Z")
> [@Who's smart and wears a banana suit?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whos-smart-and-wears-a-banana-suit/13205/20): > > parents own their own landscaping company…I work full time for them. Im set for life. > > Looking for a few good, hard workers for the summer tho if anyone wants a good paying cash job… send me a PM in the spring ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/88 "2009-01-29T12:29:49Z")
> [@Alberto drenches Florida](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/alberto-drenches-florida/13270/12): > > yes sir almighty networking guru, I cower to thee’s wisdom thy:D ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/89 "2009-01-29T12:30:50Z")
> [@The R/T just took a fatal blow](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-r-t-just-took-a-fatal-blow/13227/49): > > thy:D :gtfo ---
**Author:** ![Singh1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba8739/32.png) [@Singh1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Singh1)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/90 "2009-01-29T12:32:34Z")
haha ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/91 "2009-01-29T12:38:09Z")
> [@ATTN: dude with fire viper...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-dude-with-fire-viper/13165/12): > > :gtfo yea yea I know, put it in the suggestion box ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/92 "2009-01-29T12:41:15Z")
> [@FS: some dsm stuff, 2 fmic's](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-some-dsm-stuff-2-fmics/12130/33): > > yea yea I know, put it in the suggestion box I’m sure you’re regular LARPing events have made you an expert in medievil english ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/93 "2009-01-29T12:44:56Z")
> [@GranMassaX"](#): > > I’m sure you’re regular LARPing events have made you an expert in medievil english Never been to one also, not the smiley. im kidding, sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/94 "2009-01-29T12:47:40Z")
> [@Alberto drenches Florida](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/alberto-drenches-florida/13270/13): > > Never been to one > also, not the smiley. im kidding, sheesh! yes, I know… as was I. :squint god everyone here is a such a tight ass. didn’t know mentioning LARPing would be considered offensive enough where you would have to clarify your initial tone. ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/95 "2009-01-29T12:52:57Z")
could tell what your tone was from text. didnt learn to yet. \>.\> ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/96 "2009-01-29T12:59:51Z")
Being a hooker FTW! ---
**Author:** ![99FRC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99frc/32/6335_2.png) [@99FRC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99FRC)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/97 "2009-01-29T13:14:25Z")
IT does not boil down to just programming and networking. Yes, a lot of IT jobs are outsourced and they will continue to be outsourced. I have to agree with Granmassa on the issue that safety in term of job security are not all that great. However, looking at IT as an industry, I would say it stands a much better chance in the failing economy as some other industries. ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/98 "2009-01-29T16:21:06Z")
> [@Evo \> Choda](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/evo-choda/13198/82): > > Being a hooker FTW! _as Borat_ Very nice, how much?😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/99 "2009-01-29T18:47:22Z")
There is WAY too much information to discuss. But, I think the problem is using IT as a term because it’s very difficult to compare Networking vs Development. In my experience, certs don’t do much for the developers/engineers (Yes, there is a difference). Unfortunately, years of experience often does not equate to knowledge. That’s why there’s a technical interview. 🙂 A guy doing 5 years of bug fixes vs a guy doing 5 years of new development and building new products is not equal. Most of the companies I have worked for have required a 4 year education as min. requirement. Unfortunately, some places have no clue what good product development really is. I nearly laughed at my previous employer when they praised one of our junior devs (3 months) for building a portal that works fine. They have not a clue what’s under the cover. Probably the reason they are going under. So, some get it and some don’t. For the record, the best dev I ever met is a Solutions Architect consultant from Avanade. He is a college drop out with no degree/certs. He is a few years over me and while I am building applications, he is building enterprise architecture and teaching at Microsoft’s Code Camp. Certs/Degree/years experience don’t often tell the story. Also, I just took a MS SharePoint course where I got a cert. I didn’t pay for it. Nor did I take a test. It was also 12 day course pushed into 3. What a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/100 "2009-01-29T19:30:31Z")
IT blows get out while you can!!! j.k but FUCK this economy and people that dont spend anymoney to make this last evvvvven longer [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640.md?page=6)