# ok, NOW I'm scared **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640 "2009-01-28T12:00:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 71
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640/71 "2009-01-29T10:28:09Z")
> [@What are you listening to RIGHT NOW? Pt. NYSpeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-are-you-listening-to-right-now-pt-nyspeed/183/528): > > you obviously know absolutely nothing about programmers cause every assumption you made is incorrect. You example is outsourcing to india, are you serious? What place around here actually does this? c’mon man… you can do better than that. My point is its much easier to outsource even to a different part of the US for a programmer than it is for a network admin. Being a programmer is actually EASIER when it comes to finding jobs because you can work for anyone, anywhere (generally speaking due to todays advances in technology). I like my chances. If I’m truly good at my job (as I think I am - and I’m still getting better), a company won’t want to let me go. If I was a programmer, they could technically replace me with someone better who is hundreds of miles away and have them work from home. My good friend works/develops on the side for a company in Boston but lives in Latham. That’s the kind of stuff I’m talking about. > [@What are you listening to RIGHT NOW? Pt. NYSpeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-are-you-listening-to-right-now-pt-nyspeed/183/528): > > I’ve done plenty of networking and I’ve done plenty of programming. Both at school (rpi) and in the real world. You don’t necessarily need a 4 year degree and gobs of experience to land a solid networking job. Programming on the other hand, you do. That is true. I got my gig without any education, but that’s because I had experience. I completed my education after getting hired. The friend mentioned above doesn’t even have a 2yr degree. He just has a crap load of experience. I’m sure with a degree he’d be doing even better for himself though. But that still doesn’t mean that education/certifications are useless as you are seemingly suggesting. > [@What are you listening to RIGHT NOW? Pt. NYSpeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-are-you-listening-to-right-now-pt-nyspeed/183/528): > > … the rest of your post was just a bunch of rambling that I didn’t choose to read and/or respond to. If you want me to address something specific than make a cliff notes version :up It was about education and getting degrees/certs in general and why it’s a good thing. Good enough cliff notes version? Stop being such a dick. I’d hate working with someone like you. From what I’ve seen in the discussions you take part in on here, you think of yourself as being higher above everyone else because you have ‘experience’ and are a ‘consultant’. Whoopie! Relax. > [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8661/349): > > If the employer wants to see them then they can ask me to fax a copy over +1. > [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8661/349): > > You list the important certs on your resume and answer questions if they come up… I dont think your directing it towards me but im not an idiot massa, I may not have the experiane you do or know as much as you, but dont talk to me like im some retard who just went to school and thinks I know everything, most of the stuff I knwo goes from experiance and teaching it myself… Seriously. I may be 22 but I think I’ve done quite well for myself. That doesn’t happen without hard work and knowing your shit. I bust my ass everyday, and I’m sure Shady does as well. Also, being a people person helps. Customer service is a big part of my job (internal customers and external customers). I don’t give a shit if you’re a consultant, Massa. My brother is an assistant director being groomed to become director and gives me pointers on career management all the time. Every company is different, just cause you personally don’t care for certs or the companies you’ve worked with don’t, doesn’t mean everyone in IT doesn’t care. I’ve actually looked at jobs in Clearwater, FL and many of them wanted MCSE/A, Network+, CCNA, or A+. > [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8661/349): > > I know some programming, I choose not to do it as I think its boring as all hell, i cant sit their and write code. I know theres good money in it especialy when working for a company makeing propritary software… but to me its not worth being miserable That’s exactly why I didn’t pursue programming. I don’t know how my other brother (who is a senior programmer/analyst for NYS Comptrollers) does it. Guy is smart but damn his job must be boring. > [@Buffalo wants to ban stereo upgrades](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-wants-to-ban-stereo-upgrades/13250/29): > > we’ve never asked for certs when hiring. But MANY people decided to talk about and display them. Usually in a three ring binder. Very lame. > > If you’ve never conducted an interview then you have no idea the kind of clowns are really out there. I’ve done interviews and I agree. There are some clowns out there. We were hiring an intern…all of them were tools except for one. And he ended up not working out as planned. I busted my ass as an intern with this company. That’s why I’ve been promoted twice and my salary/responsibilities have more than doubled. I set a standard for future interns. > [@Anyone with a truck wanna take a roadtrip?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-with-a-truck-wanna-take-a-roadtrip/13257/14): > > WTF dude, i always bring in my certifications, my degree, a dog that does backflips and red lipstick in case i need to go under the desk… > > oh and all my certs are in a pink 3 ring binder that says Number one Tech with pink flowery paper that the certs are centerred on lmao. * * * **I’m not trying to make enemies with anyone here but I take issue with anyone who says education/bettering yourself is worthless/waste of time. If it was, companies wouldn’t be paying for their employees to take classes and get certified. Your opinion is one thing, but stop making generalizations that IT in general no longer cares for certs. They do.** --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ok-now-im-scared/241640)._