# Opinions are like A$$holes we all got em. **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 28, 2006, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639 "2006-02-28T10:45:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/81 "2006-03-01T11:50:02Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > steve, > > it is a piggyback. there is really no chip and is just a handheld POS that manipulates signals to the stock ECU. > > the ones you talked about actually rewrite the program what are you talking about sam? i have a chip that the laptop writes to and then i disconnect the laptop. where do you get handheld anything from that? i tell it my rev limit, my nitrous settings, my clutch switch settings, launch limit, after tuning i save and that’s it. you guys really dont know what dsmlink even is. how is it manipulating signals to the stock ecu when the stock ecu is all contained in the chip i took out? “really no chip” - that’s all i got in the box :dunno: ---
**Author:** ![brokeasskorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@brokeasskorean](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brokeasskorean)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/82 "2006-03-01T12:06:38Z")
uhh sorry sam but the dsmlink works basically like a hondata. only dsmlink figured out a way years back on how to do it with one chip and not having to take out the chip, re-write it, then put it back in the ecu to see if it worked like the older style hondata’s did. ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/83 "2006-03-01T12:10:20Z")
yeah that’s what the cable is for, to pull up info and write. it also datalogs through the cable which is why my laptop is going to stay in the car ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/84 "2006-03-01T12:15:47Z")
> [@brokeasskorean](#): > > uhh sorry sam but the dsmlink works basically like a hondata. only dsmlink figured out a way years back on how to do it with one chip and not having to take out the chip, re-write it, then put it back in the ecu to see if it worked like the older style hondata’s did. I thought DSM link had that shit ass little box like sailors SDS that you had to type the shit into just like a piggyback. like Feez’s miata link did from what I remember of it ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/85 "2006-03-01T12:29:36Z")
> [@BoostedITR41](#): > > I thought DSM link had that shit ass little box like sailors SDS that you had to type the shit into just like a piggyback. like Feez’s miata link did from what I remember of it not even close ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/86 "2006-03-01T13:30:25Z")
Does it plug into the factory ECU? Yes? ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/87 "2006-03-01T13:59:04Z")
> [@unicorn](#): > > Does it plug into the factory ECU? Yes? how can you piggy back somethign that doesnt’ exist, all the stock fuel maps/trims everything is contained on the factory chip. you take that out and put a new one in that allows full control over that. it’s not a piggy back unless it’s in my garbage can talking to the other chip that i threw out 2 weeks ago. that’s like taking aem internals sticking it inside the metal case of the ecu just for visuals, and calling it a piggyback ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/88 "2006-03-01T15:34:39Z")
So the EPROM, plugs into the ECU right? And then you tune the stock ECU? ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/89 "2006-03-01T15:44:30Z")
you explain to me how that’s a piggy back ---
**Author:** ![ZEX350Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/87869e/32.png) [@ZEX350Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ZEX350Z)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/90 "2006-03-01T15:49:37Z")
piggy back = intercepting signals from sensors to the ecu and converting them to “trick” the ecu and get the air/fuel and timing you desire…atleast from what i understand…i had a SAFC and it was on my car for one day…biggest piece of shit ever ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/91 "2006-03-01T16:35:56Z")
> [@T70\_Tsi](#): > > you explain to me how that’s a piggy back So if its not a standalone. What else is it? ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/92 "2006-03-01T17:52:21Z")
you tell me how directly editing fuel maps and trims qualifies as being a piggy back and fooling the computer. there’s no definition that says there are standalones and piggy backs…there are programmable ecu’s also. ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/93 "2006-03-01T18:01:40Z")
You’re using equipment to tune the factory ECU. True or false? ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/94 "2006-03-01T18:10:24Z")
def of a piggyback is using equipment to trick the factoy ecu ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2006, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639/95 "2006-03-02T06:25:17Z")
its a piggy back end of story… there is no point even arguing it. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-are-like-a-holes-we-all-got-em/180639.md?page=4)