# opinions on fuel managment for my eclipse... **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 10, 2004, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314 "2004-01-10T09:07:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/1 "2004-01-10T09:07:28Z")
So maybe i’m going to keep it since people thing i’m nuts…and that is fine with me. So, I was thinking of all the thing I have to purchase to get it complete. One important one is fuel managment. I’m looking for basically the cheapest bang for my buck. I REALLY don’t want to spend 1100 on an AEM EMS which was my first choice. Now being down in FL at school has sucked all my money away. I remember a while back stuff about the greddy e-manage, but haven’t had the chance to play with it myself. So just lookin for ideas. Also not limited to fabrication and wiring…i’ll create an entire new engine/car harness if i have to. fyi…i’m going to hope for over 400hp, so the super crisp fine tuning of the SAFC is probably out 😉 ---
**Author:** ![snowhitejolf95](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@snowhitejolf95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowhitejolf95)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/2 "2004-01-10T09:22:22Z")
trade it in and buy a mustang my.02 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/3 "2004-01-10T09:48:19Z")
well theres your answer gearhead, and he drives a VW and dreams about mustangs so hes knows what hes talking about.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Pewter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pewter/32/5936_2.png) [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/4 "2004-01-10T10:12:02Z")
> _Originally posted by Vapor Trail_ > **well theres your answer gearhead, and he drives a VW and dreams about mustangs so hes knows what hes talking about.:rolleyes:** > :owned: :owned: :owned: :bowdown: ---
**Author:** ![Streetnstrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7bcc69/32.png) [@Streetnstrip](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Streetnstrip)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/5 "2004-01-10T14:07:28Z")
> _Originally posted by Vapor Trail_ > **well theres your answer gearhead, and he drives a VW and dreams about mustangs so hes knows what hes talking about.:rolleyes:** > cough cough and u do cough cough ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/6 "2004-01-10T14:14:28Z")
> _Originally posted by OrangeSS_ > **cough cough and u do cough cough** i dont want either, hows berger??? did you sleep with him for a free car yet?? ---
**Author:** ![brokeasskorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@brokeasskorean](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brokeasskorean)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/7 "2004-01-10T14:18:21Z")
greddy e-manage sucks.so ur basically saying that an safc cant make 400whp?do some research cause its kind of obvious that u havent.get the safc and a MAS translator and be fine off.people are making 350-450whp with that setup.doing a complete stand alone on a dsm to just make 400whp is pretty dumb and a waste of money ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/8 "2004-01-10T22:04:18Z")
> _Originally posted by brokeasskorean_ > **greddy e-manage sucks.so ur basically saying that an safc cant make 400whp?do some research cause its kind of obvious that u havent.get the safc and a MAS translator and be fine off.people are making 350-450whp with that setup.doing a complete stand alone on a dsm to just make 400whp is pretty dumb and a waste of money** sorry…i’m lazy 😛 oh really? last i remember people were doggin on the safc b/c it wasn’t “percise”, but if you think it’ll work i’ll definitly start headin that route. I would do more research, but the dsm world is so insane, it would take me years to read everything on everything… MAS translator meaning…going to a GM maf? by the time i get that and an safc i’m over half way to a standalone…and that way i might be able to tweek for more hp, no? ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/9 "2004-01-10T22:04:46Z")
eh, maybe not…i could be under 400 for the translator and safc probably… ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/10 "2004-01-10T22:08:46Z")
> _Originally posted by Vapor Trail_ > **well theres your answer gearhead, and he drives a VW and dreams about mustangs so hes knows what hes talking about.:rolleyes:** 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/11 "2004-01-10T22:39:39Z")
you’re better off going with dsmlink than any standalone, dsmlink and MAFT = better than standalone. but what do i know ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/12 "2004-01-10T22:45:28Z")
im suprise you posted you shiester you 😃 Looked at the dsmlink…dunno much about it…looks like a UTEC type thing to me which I HATE… or an e-manage. the little i did see was really good…now i just need convinced to pay the extra $300 over something like an SAFC… ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/13 "2004-01-10T22:52:04Z")
it’s worth it, consider it a datalogger and an afc in 1 with the ability to view knock on a 2nd gen. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/14 "2004-01-10T22:54:02Z")
mmmm…knock counts…that might just sell it there. :bigthumb: ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/15 "2004-01-10T22:57:17Z")
it’;s the only way to read knock on a 2nd gen…BUT you need a 95 eeprom ecu and those are kinda hard to come by… i’m glad mine came with the car ---
**Author:** ![imported\_gearhead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_gearhead/32/5957_2.png) [@imported\_gearhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_gearhead)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/16 "2004-01-10T22:58:08Z")
how can u tell? just tear the cover off it? ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/17 "2004-01-10T22:58:55Z")
i haven’t seen a 95 ecu that wasn’t eeprom but i suppose they exist. ---
**Author:** ![brokeasskorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@brokeasskorean](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brokeasskorean)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/18 "2004-01-10T23:04:18Z")
> _Originally posted by gearhead_ > **how can u tell? just tear the cover off it?** the eprom ecu’s have an extra chip in the board,what year was ur dsm?if its was a early enough 95 it will still have the metal ecu cover while the non-eproms will come in a black, plastic cover.the eprom chip will have a big “E” on it i do believe. ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/19 "2004-01-10T23:07:19Z")
i know they have e’s on them but i didn’t know about the cover difs. ---
**Author:** ![brokeasskorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@brokeasskorean](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brokeasskorean)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314/20 "2004-01-11T10:12:57Z")
> _Originally posted by BlueMeanieTSi_ > **i know they have e’s on them but i didn’t know about the cover difs.** 1g ecu’s came with a metal cover for the ecu.then in 96 i do believe they started to use a black, plastic cover.chances are if u have a metal outer shell u have an eprom ecu. gearhead if u still cant figure out if u have one rip it apart and take a pic and post it,i’ll be able to tell u then [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-fuel-managment-for-my-eclipse/163314.md?page=2)