# Opposition to City Casino? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [April 12, 2006, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670 "2006-04-12T11:10:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/41 "2006-04-13T09:38:34Z")
> [@catalyst](#): > > So it hasn’t worked out well for NF, and they have a real tourist atraction there, why would Buffalo be any different? cause the falls was a bad part of town to begin with… and nobody else seems to be following the lead and developing around the casino buffalo isnt totally there yet… look at the canadian casino, they’re doing ok for themselfs. edit: gotta agree with joestypes ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/42 "2006-04-13T10:01:22Z")
> [@catalyst](#): > > So it hasn’t worked out well for NF, and they have a real tourist atraction there, why would Buffalo be any different? > > “ **Dealers.** Nearly all dealers have completed a two to four-year certification in gaming or a hospitality-related field. Experienced dealers who are able to attract new or return business have the best job prospects. Dealers with more experience are placed on the high-roller tables. While dealers handle a small fortune in cash and chips, they do not make much money, with median earnings estimated at about $14,000.” - California Job Journal '04 > > The proposed Hotel on Elmwood is something new. Obviously on a much smaller scale, but it is a better direction for the city. poker dealer is NOT a regular dealer. At the small money games, dealers make $1-3/hand on average. At a big money game it’s $5 average/hand. A good dealer can go 30-40 hands/hr. Do the math. What else do you want to build downtown? A new place for the Bills to play? That will be empty b/c they wont be around by the time it’s done. ---
**Author:** ![catalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/catalyst/32/7279_2.png) [@catalyst](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/catalyst)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/43 "2006-04-13T10:01:48Z")
We can’t completely look at Canadian casinos as examples, since the laws governing thier operations are different than ours. I would guess the amount of tourism they had before casinos was much higher than ours as well. ---
**Author:** ![Smaefer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@Smaefer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Smaefer)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/44 "2006-04-13T10:32:30Z")
I have a idea how about we keep all the buildings boarded up for another 30 years as we plan another idea other then the casino. You guys kill me. What does this city have to lose? Jack fucking shit, this place is a joke because people are so fucking against change here… As the world moves on every year, it seems Buffalo takes another step back. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/45 "2006-04-13T11:21:38Z")
:word: ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/46 "2006-04-13T11:42:32Z")
> [@SC\_Steve](#): > > cause the falls was a bad part of town to begin with… and nobody else seems to be following the lead and developing around the casino This just implies that Buffalo is one happening spot, and it isn’t. Touting anything as a cure-all is not only stupid, but wasteful. That’s the only HUGE gripe that I have. There has to be some planning. The Niagara Falls casino was very poorly planned, and look…the city is kind-of, sort-of doing better than it once was. I hate people that say, “lets just build it!” NO! Lets at least have a logical plan. It doesn’t seem like the government and the Senecas like to talk to eachother. This could be one big mess. One big mess that makes the casino, and not Buffalo, the attraction. The one in Niagara Falls is like a pit stop on the way to greener pastures… ---
**Author:** ![BubbleSparkxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BubbleSparkxx](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BubbleSparkxx)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/47 "2006-04-13T18:12:35Z")
> [@RedGoober4Life](#): > > This just implies that Buffalo is one happening spot, and it isn’t. Touting anything as a cure-all is not only stupid, but wasteful. You’re absolutely right. A casino is definitely no the answer to all of the economic woes. But its a step in a direction that will bring money into the community. > That’s the only HUGE gripe that I have. There has to be some planning. The Niagara Falls casino was very poorly planned, and look…the city is kind-of, sort-of doing better than it once was. thats kinda sorta better than sticking with the status quo isn’t it? shoot, they even re-opened the water park in NF due to the casino. > I hate people that say, “lets just build it!” NO! Lets at least have a logical plan. The problem is that NO PLAN has ever been agreed to, let alone implemented. For example, THE TWIN SPAN BRIDGE. WNY has been in a state of wait for the last 3 decades. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/48 "2006-04-13T18:37:01Z")
> [@BubbleSparkxx](#): > > You’re absolutely right. A casino is definitely no the answer to all of the economic woes. But its a step in a direction that will bring money into the community. > > thats kinda sorta better than sticking with the status quo isn’t it? shoot, they even re-opened the water park in NF due to the casino. > > The problem is that NO PLAN has ever been agreed to, let alone implemented. For example, THE TWIN SPAN BRIDGE. > > WNY has been in a state of wait for the last 3 decades. My only concern is look at the statistics for those who gamble…they are mainly the poor people trying to make a quick buck. Families that really can’t afford to gamble will be drawn in with high hopes of winning some extra cash. ---
**Author:** ![neurokinetik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neurokinetik/32/7270_2.png) [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/49 "2006-04-13T20:14:54Z")
> [@BubbleSparkxx](#): > > so you’re willing to turn away a business that would pump millions of dollars into a poor community b/c you’re afraid that “people” won’t come in and invest once this business is established? > > well, based on that line of thinking, where are these “people” now? Why aren’t these “people” investing now? Well, Niagara Falls USA is still the same shithole it was 10 years ago, even with the new casino there. I don’t see Buffalo doing any better. ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/50 "2006-04-13T20:57:39Z")
> [@neurokinetik](#): > > Well, Niagara Falls USA is still the same shithole it was 10 years ago, even with the new casino there. I don’t see Buffalo doing any better. it’s all in how the casino is built, developed and presented. The problem with indian casinos is that there’s no free market to create competition. State bans on gambling in general are stupid, especially when you cut the corner and allow indian nations to put them up. A buffalo city casino would be entirely different, if the indians are willing to approach the project as a marriage between themselves and the city, I’m all for it. If they want to approach it as a cash cow for themselves, I’m very against that. Corporate social responsibility is IMO one of the most important factors in business. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/51 "2006-04-14T05:03:54Z")
First of all Joe - its Native American. Secondly, if they want to exploit us for once, I’m all for it. ---
**Author:** ![catalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/catalyst/32/7279_2.png) [@catalyst](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/catalyst)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/52 "2006-04-14T05:17:24Z")
ex·ploit: To make use of selfishly or unethically. Why do you want Indians to exploit your city? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/53 "2006-04-14T07:17:34Z")
A casino isn’t going to make any difference. The city is sinking with or without a casino. I compare it to throwing a deck chair off The Titanic. It really makes no difference, it is sinking either way. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/54 "2006-04-14T08:15:43Z")
I would compare it to just standing on the deck of the Titanic, instead of TRYING TO GET THE FUCK OFF OF IT!!! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/55 "2006-04-14T08:43:39Z")
We need new blood in the legislature. A Casino is a great idea. This would bring much more tourism into Buffalo and more small businesses would prosper from this. Also, look at the falls. Politcal fuckers refused a casino in the falls too years ago…the best thing you can do is go and see the water fall…see a few chipmuncks screwing in the trees and thats about it. Look at Clifton hill and how it is exploding. All these businesses from Niagara Falls packed up and left. We need legislature to be more open minded and provision future expansion not just to collect a paycheck and fuck everything else. ---
**Author:** ![BaD\_AZz\_Z\_28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@BaD\_AZz\_Z\_28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BaD_AZz_Z_28)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/56 "2006-04-14T14:11:01Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > Well the biggest mistake ever made in the city was not putting UB in the downtown area…with the dorms, restaurants, malls, etc that would have developed around it would have sustained the economy very well. I think this more than anything would have been the key to saving downtown. Thousands of kids that are in the area needing places to stay and shop, as well as looking for food, entertainment and jobs 24/7. Since that obviously isnt an option now, I see nothing wrong with trying anythign else to get people and jobs into the city. I have no problem with a bass pro, I have a problem with them not doing it. I have no problem with a casino, I have a problem with them not even trying. Little by little, everything is done half assed or not at all. Personally, I would love to see the old Terminal remodeled as a casino/hotel. It is historic to buffalo, needs further renovation anyway, has the ability to provide train service directly to the location, and would force the city to revitalize that decaying neighborhood. It would cause increased police presence, lighting, new roads, parking, construction etc. Anything is better than nothing at this point, what are they going to lose, all of their telemarketer jobs in the suburbs? ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/57 "2006-04-14T16:26:58Z")
> [@BaD AZz Z/28](#): > > I think this more than anything would have been the key to saving downtown. Thousands of kids that are in the area needing places to stay and shop, as well as looking for food, entertainment and jobs 24/7. UB campus is MASSIVE…I don’t think there’s any place it could have been put ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/58 "2006-04-14T16:42:45Z")
Well, okay, you wouldn’t be able to have every building connected. And to be honest, UB isn’t all that big. Big, but not ----MASSIVE—. Hello Maryland or Michigan… ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/59 "2006-04-14T17:05:28Z")
![http://www.truerace.com/UBDT.jpg](http://www.truerace.com/UBDT.jpg) That’s UB north campus only and Downtown Buffalo… ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opposition-to-city-casino/10670/60 "2006-04-14T17:09:30Z")
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