# PA Bill to Ban Afermarket Exhaust Systems **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 14, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659 "2005-04-14T20:25:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![imported\_weaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bc8723/32.png) [@imported\_weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_weaves)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/1 "2005-04-14T20:25:35Z")
I just read this over on SRTforums, has anyone heard of this before? > Straight from SEMA: > > URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT > > Pennsylvania Reintroduces Bill to Ban the Use of Aftermarket Exhaust Systems > > Legislation (H.B. 1330) that would effectively prohibit the use of exhaust systems other than a “factory-installed muffler” or a “muffler meeting factory specifications” has been reintroduced in the Pennsylvania State House of Representatives by Representative Michael K. Hanna (Phone: > 717/772-2283, Fax: 717/787-4137). The bill has been referred to the > House Transportation Committee. > > Contact Rep. Hanna and Members of the Pennsylvania House Transportation Committee (List Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 1330 > > · H.B. 1330 ignores the fact that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to make vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions. > > · H.B. 1330 fails to recognize that aftermarket exhaust systems offer increased performance and utility. > > · H.B. 1330 would make it nearly impossible for hobbyists to replace factory exhaust systems with more durable, better performing options. > > · H.B. 1330 perpetuates the erroneous assumption that enthusiasts who equip their vehicles with modified exhaust systems are involved in illegal street racing. > > Call or Fax the members of the House Transportation Committee in Harrisburg (See List Below) today to oppose this legislation. This bill > unfairly tramples on the rights of vehicle enthusiasts in Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![customandsound](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@customandsound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/customandsound)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/2 "2005-04-14T20:35:57Z")
that that dam rendall Vote his ass out next time !!! ---
**Author:** ![danteisme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ba8739/32.png) [@danteisme](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/danteisme)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/3 "2005-04-14T20:37:34Z")
ho hum ---
**Author:** ![imported\_weaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bc8723/32.png) [@imported\_weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_weaves)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/4 "2005-04-14T20:40:28Z")
The last time I checked, the Governor doesn’t write Bills for the PA House. That said, I didn’t vote for the man just because one day I was driving through Apollo and his campaign bus was sitting there. Any man that’s wasting his time campaigning in Apollo doesn’t deserve my time. ---
**Author:** ![customandsound](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@customandsound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/customandsound)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/5 "2005-04-14T20:52:55Z")
he went in and changed some of the street rod stuff around … you can run a open hood as long as your fan in enclosed and a few other thing’s… all of the law makers should leave well enought alone !!! ---
**Author:** ![imported\_weaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bc8723/32.png) [@imported\_weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_weaves)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/6 "2005-04-14T20:57:33Z")
My point was that he can’t do that himself, it takes a bunch of other people too. I see no problem with having a dB limit on exhaust, as long as there’s an actual standardised testing procedure before they can give you the ticket. I know that my exhaust is too loud, and this summer I’m going to do something about it. However, this should be equal enforcement, Harley riders shouldn’t get a free pass. ---
**Author:** ![Converted2LSX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/converted2lsx/32/5962_2.png) [@Converted2LSX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Converted2LSX)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/7 "2005-04-14T20:58:13Z")
wow this state just keeps gettin worse and worse every year, Fuck PA ---
**Author:** ![SonofaBish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@SonofaBish](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SonofaBish)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/8 "2005-04-14T21:08:28Z")
> [@weaves](#): > > My point was that he can’t do that himself, it takes a bunch of other people too. > > I see no problem with having a dB limit on exhaust, as long as there’s an actual standardised testing procedure before they can give you the ticket. I know that my exhaust is too loud, and this summer I’m going to do something about it. However, this should be equal enforcement, Harley riders shouldn’t get a free pass. you tell 'em! i’m sick of ppl having such loud exhausts! ---
**Author:** ![Converted2LSX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/converted2lsx/32/5962_2.png) [@Converted2LSX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Converted2LSX)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/9 "2005-04-14T21:36:18Z")
> [@SonofaBish](#): > > you tell 'em! i’m sick of ppl having such loud exhausts! some of us dont have a choice though, my engine setup requires the use of 2 1/2 inch pipe. there is no way that I can use or make an exhaust like that without it being a screamer just cuz Hondas are gay like that ---
**Author:** ![neonmike22](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ba8739/32.png) [@neonmike22](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonmike22)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/10 "2005-04-14T21:53:48Z")
This is the usual “oh noes my exhaust is illegal” things. HB1330 reads: 4 © Mufflers and related equipment.–Every motor vehicle 5 shall be equipped with a [muffler] factory-installed muffler, a 6 muffler meeting factory specifications or **other effective noise 7 suppressing system** in good working order [and], in constant 8 operation and [no] **in compliance with the maximum noise levels** 9 permitted under subsection (a). So basically it says that the car needs some sort of a muffler, and it needs to keep the car under maximum noise levels. ---
**Author:** ![SonofaBish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@SonofaBish](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SonofaBish)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/11 "2005-04-14T22:07:15Z")
> [@RedLineGSR94](#): > > some of us dont have a choice though, my engine setup requires the use of 2 1/2 inch pipe. there is no way that I can use or make an exhaust like that without it being a screamer just cuz Hondas are gay like that Edit: sorry, i was just kiddin around… I MIGHT have said that b/c the Borla on my car MIGHT be incredibly loud… MAYBE ;)😉 ---
**Author:** ![SonofaBish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@SonofaBish](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SonofaBish)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/12 "2005-04-14T22:09:03Z")
errr… maybe i shoudlnt have posted that ---
**Author:** ![SonofaBish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@SonofaBish](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SonofaBish)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/13 "2005-04-14T22:11:20Z")
to add to that, i wouldn’t dare say that a Harley needs to be quieter… i like the sound of harleys… and from what i hear, my bike is quite freakin loud too… can’t really tell as much when you’re on it tho! ---
**Author:** ![imported\_weaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bc8723/32.png) [@imported\_weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_weaves)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/14 "2005-04-14T22:25:55Z")
> [@RedLineGSR94](#): > > some of us dont have a choice though, my engine setup requires the use of 2 1/2 inch pipe. there is no way that I can use or make an exhaust like that without it being a screamer just cuz Hondas are gay like that I’ve heard DSM’s with full 3" exhausts that border on being quiet. It’s all in the muffler / use of a cat. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_weaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bc8723/32.png) [@imported\_weaves](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_weaves)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/15 "2005-04-14T22:27:08Z")
> [@neonmike22](#): > > This is the usual “oh noes my exhaust is illegal” things. HB1330 reads: > > 4 (c) Mufflers and related equipment.–Every motor vehicle > 5 shall be equipped with a [muffler] factory-installed muffler, a > 6 muffler meeting factory specifications or **other effective noise > 7 suppressing system** in good working order [and], in constant > 8 operation and [no] **in compliance with the maximum noise levels** > 9 permitted under subsection (a). > > So basically it says that the car needs some sort of a muffler, and it needs to keep the car under maximum noise levels. Well technically I believe in the law right now that a turbo is a muffling device, that’s how the SRT gets away without one from the factory, so a true muffler isn’t required by law. ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/16 "2005-04-15T05:17:16Z")
it wont happen. but if it does. we only have the ricers to blame!!! :reloading ---
**Author:** ![Converted2LSX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/converted2lsx/32/5962_2.png) [@Converted2LSX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Converted2LSX)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/17 "2005-04-15T05:26:20Z")
> [@weaves](#): > > I’ve heard DSM’s with full 3" exhausts that border on being quiet. It’s all in the muffler / use of a cat. Id have to agree, the DSM usually has a low drone sound unless your WOT, just about every Honda I heard with any kind of exhaust has this weedwacker on crack noise. Granted their are exceptions but most are just annoying. There is a cat, resonator, muffler on my car and it still loud as hell. Just no helping it ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/18 "2005-04-15T05:32:29Z")
i took 4 cats off mine 😃 ---
**Author:** ![onyx\_rock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@onyx\_rock](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/onyx_rock)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/19 "2005-04-15T06:35:19Z")
I have heard of this from my local car club. I was also told that state police will be going around to car shows this summer checking emissions equipment. Call or Fax the members of the House Transportation Committee in Harrisburg (See List Below) today to oppose this legislation. This bill unfairly tramples on the rights of vehicle enthusiasts in Pennsylvania. House Transportation Committee Hon. Richard Allen Geist, Chairman (717) 787-6419 Fax: (717) 772-5142 Hon. Kate Harper (717) 787-2801 Fax: (717) 787-2022 Hon. John R. Evans (717) 772-9940 Fax: (717) 772-7099 Hon. Russell H. Fairchild (717) 787-3443 Fax: (717) 772-5500 Hon. John A. Maher (717) 783-1522 Fax: (717) 783-8332 Hon. Ronald S. Marsico (717) 783-2014 Fax: (717) 705-2010 Hon. Rod E. Wilt (717) 783-5008 Fax: (717) 705-1948 Hon. Roy E. Baldwin (717) 787-1776 Fax: (717) 772-9869 Hon. Ellen M. Bard (717) 783-7309 Fax: (717) 787-5713 Hon. Teresa Forcier (717) 787-2353 Fax: (717) 787-0860 Hon. Dick Lee Hess (717) 787-7076 Fax: (717) 705-1835 Hon. Eugene F. McGill (717) 783-7179 Fax: (717) 783-3899 Hon. Stanley E. Saylor (717) 783-6426 Fax: (717) 705-1849 Hon. Jess M. Stairs (717) 783-9311 Fax: (717) 787-0859 Hon. Katharine M. Watson (717) 787-5452 Fax: (717) 783-8934 Hon. Keith R. McCall (717) 783-1375 Fax: (717) 772-1231 Hon. Kenneth W. Ruffing (717) 787-4891 Fax: (717)787-0861 Hon. Anthony J. Melio (717) 787-3557 Fax: (717) 772-2943 Hon. Joseph A. Petrarca (717) 787-5142 Fax: (717) 705-2014 Hon. Lawrence Roberts (717) 783-1359 Fax: (717) 705-2088 Hon. Dante Santoni, Jr. (717) 783-3290 Fax: (717) 772-2943 Hon. LeAnna M. Washington (717) 783-2175 Fax: (717) 783-8724 Hon. Frank Dermody (717) 787-3566 Fax: (717) 787-8060 Hon. Frank LaGrotta (717) 783-8424 Fax: (717) 787-1267 Hon. Susan Laughlin (717) 787-4444 Fax: (717) 772-1232 Hon. Edward P. Wojnaroski, Sr. (717) 787-7524 Fax: (717) 787-0861 ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/20 "2005-04-15T06:48:34Z")
> [@onyx\_rock](#): > > I have heard of this from my local car club. I was also told that state police will be going around to car shows this summer checking emissions equipment. I honestly dont see any state troopers getting on thier hands and knee’s to look under my or anyone elses car for cats… but they will easily see the smog pump is gone 😃 [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659.md?page=2)