# PA Bill to Ban Afermarket Exhaust Systems **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 14, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659 "2005-04-14T20:25:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/21 "2005-04-15T07:02:38Z")
if you are at a car show, you are on private property and they can;t touch you. If they want they would have to wait until you move the vehicle. Also if you are emissions exempt they can’t do anything about it. (YAY FOR BEING EXEMPT AGAIN 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![The1SloR\_T](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the1slor_t/32/5984_2.png) [@The1SloR\_T](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The1SloR_T)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/22 "2005-04-15T07:06:01Z")
to anyone who has a loud exhaust: buy a turbo kit, its muffles the exhaust tone 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![neonmike22](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ba8739/32.png) [@neonmike22](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonmike22)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/23 "2005-04-15T07:46:46Z")
> [@onyx\_rock](#): > > I was also told that state police will be going around to car shows this summer checking emissions equipment. That has nothing with this bill. > [@onyx\_rock](#): > > Call or Fax the members of the House Transportation Committee in Harrisburg (See List Below) today to oppose this legislation. This bill unfairly tramples on the rights of vehicle enthusiasts in Pennsylvania. How is it unfair? The bill only says “have some sort of muffler and don’t be louder than is allowed”. I think most enthusaists don’t have anything to complain about. [Click here to actually read the bill](http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2005/0/HB1330P1588.HTM) ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/24 "2005-04-15T07:51:24Z")
> [@neonmike22](#): > > [Click here to actually read the bill](http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2005/0/HB1330P1588.HTM) This is just like the PA tint laws. People read and interpet them how they want but never really read. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Dirty\_Georg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ab992/32.png) [@Old\_Dirty\_Georg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Old_Dirty_Georg)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/25 "2005-04-15T07:51:32Z")
> [@neonmike22](#): > > That has nothing with this bill. > > How is it unfair? The bill only says “have some sort of muffler and don’t be louder than is allowed”. I think most enthusaists don’t have anything to complain about. > > [Click here to actually read the bill](http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2005/0/HB1330P1588.HTM) I’m just curious, what has changed? I agree that this is not that big of a deal and I don’t have a beef with it. Plus I really hope it does quiet down some of the harleys that are wwwaaaayyyyy too loud. Don’t confuse noise with power. ---
**Author:** ![brokeasskorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@brokeasskorean](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brokeasskorean)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/26 "2005-04-15T08:28:07Z")
and how are they gonna know what smog stuff looks like on different cars? and besides, on my car all that shit is under the battery tray, you couldnt see it to begin with… ---
**Author:** ![imported\_jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/53a042/32.png) [@imported\_jim](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_jim)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/27 "2005-04-15T08:30:00Z")
I agree with some of you, this is no big deal. I think this bill is mainly because of idiot motorcycle riders that have open exhausts “so they can be heard”. What a load of crap. I’d love to see all those jerkoffs ticketed continously this summer. Maybe a few hundred bucks in fines will show them the errors of their ways. Afermarket and custom exhaust systems will still be legal, you just won’t be able to exceed a certain db level with whatever system is installed on your car. The law does NOT require mufflers (those are a specific type of car part), the law requires a “sound supression device”. That means that you can install anything that quiets the vehicle down to acceptable limits. Turbos are considered a sound supression device as are resonators. Also, being emissions exempt does NOT mean that you can remove smog equipment from your car. It still has to be present and hooked up they just do not test the car with a sniffer or plug in device. Anybody who has even “beaten” an emissions test knows that there are ways of doing it without all the factory parts working like they should. Don’t get all worked up over this. We are hardly as strict with inspection and smog laws as California and I can’t see us ever getting near their zeal and idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/28 "2005-04-15T08:30:06Z")
> [@weaves](#): > > Harley riders shouldn’t get a free pass. x2 fuck those loud annoying pieces of shit. ---
**Author:** ![VictorSmalls](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/victorsmalls/32/5944_2.png) [@VictorSmalls](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/VictorSmalls)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/29 "2005-04-15T08:36:39Z")
You mean I can’t have a coffee can hanging from the back of my car? WTF ---
**Author:** ![imported\_jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/53a042/32.png) [@imported\_jim](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_jim)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/30 "2005-04-15T09:43:48Z")
> [@VictorSmalls](#): > > You mean I can’t have a coffee can hanging from the back of my car? WTF PLEASE READ THE POSTS IN THE THREAD. As long as you have some sort of sound supression device and your car meets the db requirement then you are good. ---
**Author:** ![Vdubbiatch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vdubbiatch/32/3344_2.png) [@Vdubbiatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vdubbiatch)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/31 "2005-04-15T11:23:17Z")
> [@BlkP42E](#): > > it wont happen. but if it does. we only have the ricers to blame!!! :reloading X2 ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/32 "2005-04-15T14:15:11Z")
The average porn star makes 58 films a year… ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/33 "2005-04-16T12:18:48Z")
it won’t happen. I would like to see them pull out the books on my 70 GS and prove my exhaust isn’t legal. I actaully took the 3inch and headers off and put on flowed out manifolds and 2 1/2 inch with an h-pipe. much better for reliability, heat and bottom end. the 3 inch was just too big and didn’t fit the car like it should and the headers through off too much heat and would blow out gaskets too much. Try find header gaskets for a 70 buick…thank God for B & R SNS, i wouldn’t jump the gun on thinking your car is safe. now the way the trooper explained it to my dad was that if a car was of certain age it and i was emissions exempt because of mileage then it would not be subject to a visual inspection, case in point my 85 SS. NOw your car on the other hand is in a different ball park because of its age, much newer. Plus it is still illegal, even on my 85 SS to remove the cat, that federal law. Whats sucks about PA is there seems to be no clear cut answer on anything, i think every year with your registration you should get infomation on these laws and changes. I pretty much thou never have to worry about my GS until the time comes when gas engines are outlawed…hope thats not in my life time. ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/34 "2005-04-16T12:40:25Z")
My cats arn’t removed / or gutted… I have a full exhaust with cats and a muffler. Its legal and they can’t touch me. thank you next question… PS I throw NO engine lights either. ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/35 "2005-04-16T12:40:59Z")
Oh yeah and exempt is exempt. There is no year stipulation. ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/36 "2005-04-16T12:41:11Z")
you people get scared way to easily… ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659/37 "2005-04-16T12:57:12Z")
> [@Sight N Sound](#): > > My cats arn’t removed / or gutted… I have a full exhaust with cats and a muffler. Its legal and they can’t touch me. > > thank you next question… > > PS I throw NO engine lights either. well fuck you then mr know it all. I guess you know more than my dad. Could you produce me a copy of your inspection licence… THANK YOU, NEXT QUESTION [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pa-bill-to-ban-afermarket-exhaust-systems/173659.md?page=1)