# Paint Problem on S2k **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 4, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146 "2013-06-04T20:21:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![d\_gage](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d_gage/32/6321_2.png) [@d\_gage](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d_gage)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/81 "2013-06-06T12:18:47Z")
Igualmente ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/82 "2013-06-06T12:20:15Z")
ninguna mierda ---
**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/83 "2013-06-06T12:21:56Z")
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die! ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/84 "2013-06-08T06:20:11Z")
> [@apple can remotely disable apps on iphone](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-can-remotely-disable-apps-on-iphone/52867/23): > > I dont agree with that so much anymore. > > I panel painted tons of parts. Ever since the Jag hood that didnt match the old fenders very well after painting it twice, and the green bmw hood on that $500 car I painted twice and still didnt match right… both of which were CHEAP jobs, where I would have made only a few hundred in labor… I bit the bullet and bought another pt of paint, put another few hrs in labor, used more reducer and more clear… all for FREE to help them out like you said above. Becasue both jobs were for friends of friends. > > Its safe to say I didnt make anything on those jobs. I took money OFF the bill for each of them, and on top of taking twice the time to complete the job and using twice the materials, I LOST money on the job and gained two pissed off customers. > > Those two were my worst jobs to date. Both cars were 15+ years old one metalic red and faded fender tops, other was metalic green rusted, dented, steering wheel fell off in my hand, trans shot, hg shot, 4 different wheels, but it had a fresh hood and I even painted and fixed the grill and front bumper on it for them! > > Lesson learned by me… You want cheap, dont expect perfection. You want middle of the road cost and panel painting, it will be a cleaner job than cheap but I am by no means saying it will match perfect and I am NOT painting it twice for free. Sorry but I believe more in doing the job right (blending) the first time, and I waste WAY too much money and valuable time to be doing freebies on cheap jobs when it doesnt work out the first go around. :dunno So you dont feel you should have been compelled to tell them up front it may not match well, or you didnt have the experience at the time to tell them… Its all about communication. and I never said “free”, I said limited sum. Shops fault they didnt explain that what the conumer may want, might not be possible. Same held tru in your cases perhaps. As for the Jag, that was just bad…but could have been explained away up front on what to expect perhaps. But, I agree, some people are hard to satisfy with a beer budget. ---
**Author:** ![d\_gage](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d_gage/32/6321_2.png) [@d\_gage](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d_gage)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/85 "2013-06-08T06:44:27Z")
It all come out in a wash at some point anyways. You’ll get that job that comes in that pays well and EVERYTHING goes perfect and you make GOOD money on it. ---
**Author:** ![madwabbit](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/madwabbit/32/6654_2.png) [@madwabbit](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/madwabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/86 "2013-06-08T08:00:28Z")
> [@Slipknot - Psychosocial](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/slipknot-psychosocial/52772/33): > > So you dont feel you should have been compelled to tell them up front it may not match well, or you didnt have the experience at the time to tell them… Its all about communication. and I never said “free”, I said limited sum. Shops fault they didnt explain that what the conumer may want, might not be possible. Same held tru in your cases perhaps. As for the Jag, that was just bad…but could have been explained away up front on what to expect perhaps. But, I agree, some people are hard to satisfy with a beer budget. Stated perfectly. Communication. ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/87 "2013-06-09T18:37:39Z")
> [@apple can remotely disable apps on iphone](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-can-remotely-disable-apps-on-iphone/52867/23): > > Lesson learned by me… You want cheap, dont expect perfection. You want middle of the road cost and panel painting, it will be a cleaner job than cheap but I am by no means saying it will match perfect and I am NOT painting it twice for free. Sorry but I believe more in doing the job right (blending) the first time, and I waste WAY too much money and valuable time to be doing freebies on cheap jobs when it doesnt work out the first go around. :dunno I was thinking about this today and wanted to wage my thoughts. For the sake of CRC I think it’s a bad idea to take on any “cheap” jobs. The thing is if someone comes in and only has x amount to spend but a perfect job cost y then they settle for x. Then they go down the road and when other people see the work it has your name attached to it. Other people won’t know it was a “cheap job”, they’ll think that’s your everyday work. I realize you have to take business and make money where you can, but for your reputations sake, (if it was me) I don’t think I’d be doing cheap jobs. I would only want my best work out there with my name on it. Just my 2 cents, I don’t know your business enough to know if that’s even possible to get by on financially ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/88 "2013-06-11T10:27:43Z")
> [@Slipknot - Psychosocial](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/slipknot-psychosocial/52772/33): > > So you dont feel you should have been compelled to tell them up front it may not match well, or you didnt have the experience at the time to tell them… Its all about communication. and I never said “free”, I said limited sum. Shops fault they didnt explain that what the conumer may want, might not be possible. Same held tru in your cases perhaps. As for the Jag, that was just bad…but could have been explained away up front on what to expect perhaps. But, I agree, some people are hard to satisfy with a beer budget. I always tell them panel painting probably wont match. Especially on older cars. Example I have a hood for a 68 camaro I need to paint. I told the customer 3 times now panel painting probably wont match. They dont even know the color code, if the car is original paint or it has been reshot. I had it scanned on a paint scanner and its an 80% match to a dupont color so thats what I am shooting. The front of that car should be blended no way around that… Just one example. And by free, you pay for materials only or money off the top… on jobs this small add up the labor spent its 100% probably going to be for free, if not money out of my pocket. > [@Are you ok, silver Trans Am on 290 near Colvin](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-ok-silver-trans-am-on-290-near-colvin/52935/25): > > I was thinking about this today and wanted to wage my thoughts. For the sake of CRC I think it’s a bad idea to take on any “cheap” jobs. The thing is if someone comes in and only has x amount to spend but a perfect job cost y then they settle for x. Then they go down the road and when other people see the work it has your name attached to it. Other people won’t know it was a “cheap job”, they’ll think that’s your everyday work. I realize you have to take business and make money where you can, but for your reputations sake, (if it was me) I don’t think I’d be doing cheap jobs. I would only want my best work out there with my name on it. > > Just my 2 cents, I don’t know your business enough to know if that’s even possible to get by on financially Exactly. Constantly undercutting your own work, just to put work on the bench is like drilling holes in the bottom of your boat at sea. That being said, this is why I refuse to paint “all the body works already done” cars. Those are even WORSE than panel painting on a budget. I could put $10K of the best paint and my best work ever over some shitty ass body work and the moment that car rolls up to a show and someone asks who painted it they say CRC. Which is true, but do you really think they will claim the shrinkage, waves, pin holes, and poor body work as their own when its pointed out? Hell no! “I already did the body work” cars get charged body labor to block them out. Actually we shoot a quick rattle can guide coat down and take a long block and 600 grit to the side of the car with the customer standing there. The waves in their body work jump right out then they understand. As a business, or a person in society… you will only get better if you constantly raise the bar. ---
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/89 "2013-06-11T11:28:47Z")
I’d take the car back and drive it directly up Neal’s cockhole. ---
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/90 "2013-06-11T12:48:55Z")
> [@Totalled car Updated pics](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/totalled-car-updated-pics/52905/23): > > Igualmente yo tambien ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/91 "2013-06-11T19:06:04Z")
> [@help hairymonke aka 4x4 jimmy thief](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/help-hairymonke-aka-4x4-jimmy-thief/52766/130): > > I always tell them panel painting probably wont match. Especially on older cars. Example I have a hood for a 68 camaro I need to paint. I told the customer 3 times now panel painting probably wont match. They dont even know the color code, if the car is original paint or it has been reshot. I had it scanned on a paint scanner and its an 80% match to a dupont color so thats what I am shooting. The front of that car should be blended no way around that… Just one example. And by free, you pay for materials only or money off the top… on jobs this small add up the labor spent its 100% probably going to be for free, if not money out of my pocket. > > Exactly. Constantly undercutting your own work, just to put work on the bench is like drilling holes in the bottom of your boat at sea. > > That being said, this is why I refuse to paint “all the body works already done” cars. Those are even WORSE than panel painting on a budget. I could put $10K of the best paint and my best work ever over some shitty ass body work and the moment that car rolls up to a show and someone asks who painted it they say CRC. Which is true, but do you really think they will claim the shrinkage, waves, pin holes, and poor body work as their own when its pointed out? Hell no! “I already did the body work” cars get charged body labor to block them out. Actually we shoot a quick rattle can guide coat down and take a long block and 600 grit to the side of the car with the customer standing there. The waves in their body work jump right out then they understand. > > As a business, or a person in society… you will only get better if you constantly raise the bar. Thats why your better than them. Point made. You would have told him, they didnt, ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/92 "2013-06-12T13:23:02Z")
I am not claiming to be better than anyone, stop putting words in my mouth please. I am saying how I roll and giving guidance thats all. Infact I just sent someone’s inquiry their way because its more than I can bite off at my shop right now. Please people, read my replies and assume they are for the sake of sharing knowledge… not putting Mike Wood on a high horse. I dont know everything but I know alot and have done/seen alot, I’m just trying to be a messenger 99% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![s0lace](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/s0lace/32/6386_2.png) [@s0lace](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/s0lace)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/93 "2013-07-22T20:02:08Z")
Updated Situation: I had the car at Hart’s in East Greenbush, and they did outstanding/professional work. They spent a lot of time getting it just right, and explaining every step of the process. Just wanted to give them the shout out- car looks perfect now. Price was more than reasonable, and the turn around was quick. Couldn’t be happier. ---
**Author:** ![d\_gage](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d_gage/32/6321_2.png) [@d\_gage](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d_gage)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146/94 "2013-07-22T20:34:54Z")
what happened with neals? glad everything worked out. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/paint-problem-on-s2k/267146.md?page=4)