# Passanger claims to have bomb in bag, gets shot by air marshalls **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 7, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397 "2005-12-07T12:51:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/21 "2005-12-07T17:58:18Z")
> [@Bigairskier1580](#): > > The thing though that arises it… > > Reported 6-7 shots fired into him… > > Why shoot to kill? When you could put him down and then deal with it? Because they are trained that once a situation reaches the point where they have to shoot, they shoot to kill. It’s not like the movies when you shoot someone in real life. One bullet does not send them flying back 10 feet. If you’re a bomber, and you’ve been shot one time, you could easily still press the button. ---
**Author:** ![fbrendan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fbrendan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fbrendan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/22 "2005-12-07T18:59:33Z")
Air Marshalls are mad leet. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/23 "2005-12-07T19:10:36Z")
All law enforcement are trained to shoot to kill. (Thank God) ---
**Author:** ![kingsario](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kingsario/32/7572_2.png) [@kingsario](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kingsario)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/24 "2005-12-07T21:06:21Z")
fawkn more crazy people in this world now, then there evar was back then ---
**Author:** ![funkylemons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@funkylemons](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/funkylemons)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/25 "2005-12-07T22:38:11Z")
> [@evolve](#): > > y wouldnt they shoot to kill? you dont train them to shoot for a leg and then have the suspect shoot back or set the bomb off. just because he falls to the ground doesnt mean he cant trigger a bomb… some crazy fucktards life \< plane full of people I would have unloaded everything I had. ---
**Author:** ![1sik\_bmw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1sik_bmw/32/7341_2.png) [@1sik\_bmw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1sik_bmw)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/26 "2005-12-07T22:52:06Z")
Some things you just dont fook around with…this situation is one of them, not a good idea to threaten people with a bomb at the airport ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2005, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/27 "2005-12-07T23:17:15Z")
im glad to see that our country is not hesitating to take ppl down for doing shit like this. sad that we have to use this poor retard as an example. but after 9/11 and shit how could u possibly think that is ok??? ---
**Author:** ![psphinx81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@psphinx81](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psphinx81)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/28 "2005-12-08T04:22:34Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Mentally ill or not…actual bomb or not…doesn’t matter to me. You yell that you have a bomb, then reach into your duffle bag, I’m glad you get shot. totally agree ---
**Author:** ![ly555is](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3bc359/32.png) [@ly555is](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ly555is)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/29 "2005-12-08T04:26:46Z")
bitch be cool tell that bitch to be cool we’re gonna be like like three little fonzies here whats fonzie like he’s POW ---
**Author:** ![Firehawk853](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/firehawk853/32/7607_2.png) [@Firehawk853](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Firehawk853)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/30 "2005-12-08T05:13:20Z")
The dude didnt get his medication, its his wifes fault. She didn’t say anything about it. The marshals were right with what they did, the guy was running down teh jetway yelling. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/31 "2005-12-08T05:23:34Z")
:tup: barronvonwortzen: i wish i was on that airplane the dude got shot on barronvonwortzen: i would have lolled ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/32 "2005-12-08T06:00:41Z")
meh, the Marshall did exactly what he was supposed to. He didn’t run into a burning building, nor did he rape any babies. Still, the poor fucker will now have to be run through the post-live fire ringer. :tup: to him for firing true. Unfortunate that it had to be a misunderstanding, but this is what happens when people do not take care of their responsibilites. > [@Bigairskier1580](#): > > The thing though that arises it… > > Reported 6-7 shots fired into him… > > Why shoot to kill? When you could put him down and then deal with it? No offense, but I hope that You never go into law enforcment. ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/33 "2005-12-08T06:03:22Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > meh, the Marshall did exactly what he was supposed to. He didn’t run into a burning building, nor did he rape any babies. Still, the poor fucker will now have to be run through the post-live fire ringer. :tup: to him for firing true. > > Unfortunate that it had to be a misunderstanding, but this is what happens when people do not take care of their responsibilites. > > No offense, but I hope that You never go into law enforcment. Are they really going to give this guy that much of a hassle? Air Marshalls are pretty much told that if there is a threat to people on the plane, kill first and find out the details later. They really aren’t supposed to fuck around and negotiate/deliberate. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/34 "2005-12-08T06:07:57Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > Are they really going to give this guy that much of a hassle? Air Marshalls are pretty much told that if there is a threat to people on the plane, kill first and find out the details later. They really aren’t supposed to fuck around and negotiate/deliberate. I dont know the details of their training, nor do I know the rules of engagement as it were… But anytime an authority uses live fire as part of enforcement, there is going to be a paperwork mountain awaiting them. Even if the whole thing was 110% within parameters. I’d be surprised if the federal air marshalls were anymore lenient then the local BPD. FWIW :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/35 "2005-12-08T06:11:10Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > I dont know the details of their training, nor do I know the rules of engagement as it were… > > But anytime an authority uses live fire as part of enforcement, there is going to be a paperwork mountain awaiting them. Even if the whole thing was 110% within parameters. > I’d be surprised if the federal air marshalls were anymore lenient then the local BPD. > > FWIW > > :shrug: The news had person who does training for the air marshals and he said that if the marshal evaluates the situation and deems it a potentially deadly to passenger on the plane, they have every right to use lethal force. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/36 "2005-12-08T15:13:43Z")
There were two marshalls… [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1386688](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1386688) > [@ABC News](#): > > MIAMI Dec 8, 2005 — The White House said Thursday that two federal air marshals appeared to have acted properly when they shot and killed an agitated passenger who claimed to have a bomb in his backpack. > > No bomb was found, and authorities later said Rigoberto Alpizar, the passenger killed Wednesday at the Miami airport, was not a terrorist. Witnesses said his wife had frantically tried to explain that he was mentally ill and had not taken his medication. > > “I don’t think anyone wants to see it come to a situation like this,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. “But these marshals appear to have acted in a way that’s consistent with the extensive training that they have received. And we’ll see what the investigation shows, and lessons learned from that will be applied to future training and protocol.” > > Similarly, Dave Adams, a spokesman for the Federal Air Marshal Service, said the marshals followed proper procedures. “We only react when there is a threat to the aircraft, passengers or crew,” he said. > > Passengers on the Orlando-bound American Airlines flight said they saw a man bolt from his seat and run down the aisle with his arms flailing shortly after boarding, with his screaming wife and man in a Hawaiian shirt an undercover air marshal behind him. > > He was gunned down moments later on a jetway after he apparently reached for his back, authorities said. Two air marshals were on the flight, and both fired at Alpizar, Adams said. > > It was the first time since the Sept. 11 attacks that an air marshal shot at someone, Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Doyle said. > > Jeanne Jentsch, the sister of Alpizar’s wife, read a short statement Thursday outside the couple’s suburban Orlando home, calling him “a loving, gentle and caring husband, uncle, son and friend.” > > Relatives took no questions from reporters, and the statement did not address Alpizar’s mental condition. On Wednesday, James E. Bauer, agent in charge of the air marshals’ Miami field office, would not comment on Alpizar’s mental state either. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/37 "2005-12-08T15:31:54Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Because they are trained that once a situation reaches the point where they have to shoot, they shoot to kill. It’s not like the movies when you shoot someone in real life. One bullet does not send them flying back 10 feet. If you’re a bomber, and you’ve been shot one time, you could easily still press the button. exactly. odds are the air marshal was using a 9mm. in which case pretty much the only way you will take someone down with 1 shot instantly is a well placed shot to the heart. so of course whey will put a few rounds in them to stop them quickly before they can hit a bomb button, pull a gun, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Deuce](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deuce/32/7614_2.png) [@Deuce](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deuce)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/38 "2005-12-08T19:36:39Z")
if he was mentally ill, why wasnt someone traveling with him TO KEEP HIM OUT OF TROUBLE??? ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/39 "2005-12-08T19:52:29Z")
his wife was with him his wife was following him off the plane his wife prolly got a front row spot while he got capped ---
**Author:** ![Deuce](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deuce/32/7614_2.png) [@Deuce](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deuce)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397/40 "2005-12-08T19:54:39Z")
> [@HotRodKid](#): > > his wife was with him > > his wife was following him off the plane > > his wife prolly got a front row spot while he got capped ahh i see i didnt notice that part [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passanger-claims-to-have-bomb-in-bag-gets-shot-by-air-marshalls/5397.md?page=3)