# Passing the new emission test standards with '97 and older vehicles
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156
**Category:** SON240sx Automotive
**Created:** [June 12, 2013, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156 "2013-06-12T08:48:17Z")
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### Author:  [@k.man](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/k.man)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2013, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156/1 "2013-06-12T08:48:17Z")
I have no idea how emissions work and I need to get my car emission certified. unfortunately, the swapped KA has the EGR deleted.
So i’m not sure if the car will pass the 2 speed idle test. can someone who’s is certified in this field chime in on the details of this procedure?
from the past, I know people usually run 94 octane with the sure pass additive and drive it hard so the cat is nice and hot before the test. does this still apply?
> Light-duty vehicles from the 1997 or older model year are not equipped with an on-board computer. These vehicles are given a two-speed idle test, where emissions of CO and HC are measured at “curb idle” and 2,500 revolutions per minute (RPM).
^ from MTO’s website : [http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/environment/en/category/drive\_clean/STDPROD\_075681.html](http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/environment/en/category/drive_clean/STDPROD_075681.html)
the 2 speed idle test checks for:
CURB IDLE
HC ppm up to 200 ppm …
CO% up to 1.00% …
> NOx is not measured at curb idle cause the Egr does not open at idle, or it will cause poor idle conditions, so NOx is exempt on curb idle.
^ is this true?
> **[Ministry of the Environment, Conservation and Parks](https://www.ontario.ca/page/ministry-environment-conservation-parks)**
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> Leading to healthier communities and economic prosperity through protecting Ontario’s air, land and water.
^ here is the link stating all conditions of the new emission programs, took it off MTO’s site
Also, I want to make this thread into an informative and helpful thread for others. so people who have questions about the new e-test standards can find answers here. So, try to keep unrelated topics off this thread
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### Author:  [@Mr\_Phonso](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mr_Phonso)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2013, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156/2 "2013-06-12T10:15:49Z")
should be fine with a good cat.
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### Author:  [@k.man](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/k.man)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2013, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156/3 "2013-06-12T12:01:00Z")
ya i’m thinking to just follow the steps prior to an e-test like;
-use shell 91 or 94
-use the sure pass additive
-drive it hard before I go in.
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### Author:  [@KA24Power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KA24Power)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156/4 "2013-06-12T18:55:57Z")
High octane fuel is a waste of money if your engine doesn’t have a high enough compression ratio to warrant it, and sure pass is a joke. Just make sure you don’t have any vacuum leaks after the MAF, I only say this because you have your EGR deleted so I’m sure you’ve done other vacuum-line related work. Get it warm and go in for it. Good cat of course, and yes thats true that NOX isn’t checked at idle for the reasons you posted.
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### Author:  [@m\_wolfenden](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/m_wolfenden)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2013, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156/5 "2013-06-13T05:13:23Z")
sure pass is just methyl hydrate…it makes your engine run lean i used methyl hydrate a couple time and it help just go to the paint section and u can buy it for 1/10th the price of sure pass
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### Author:  [@k.man](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/k.man)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2013, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156/6 "2013-06-13T07:48:19Z")
> [@m\_wolfenden](#):
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> sure pass is just methyl hydrate…it makes your engine run lean i used methyl hydrate a couple time and it help just go to the paint section and u can buy it for 1/10th the price of sure pass
I’ve read 100% isoproylalcohol works as well. just to clean out all the crud from the engines
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### Author:  [@G-E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/G-E)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/passing-the-new-emission-test-standards-with-97-and-older-vehicles/231156/7 "2013-06-14T01:27:20Z")
The check engine light is the biggest caveat… even if your emissions are clean a CEL will fail you regardless (in theory)
Of course if you go to a trusted shop that will ignore that wee tidbit, you’re fine